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post #61 of 87
While dreaming up the half-baked store idea (after just being in the mode adding of new products), I was definitely thinking more in terms of EpicSki 'facilitating or brokering' the transaction with checks and balances for members and supporters as another form of revenue over and above the $20 fee. By setting up a means for posting descriptions & images (and maybe q&a's/referrals & ratings) in a store with a cart and some means of transferring funds after goods are delivered.

The current decision definitely excludes and affects the Members who have been here for years and are not the 'bad apples'.

(As and aside, the Discussion: Gear Swap Guideline Revision seems to be a concurrent discussion and may want to merge with this one.)
post #62 of 87
There is a sensible way to conduct transactions that will give a buyer protection for no ships and outright fraud. I would recommend a buyer use Pay Pal but remit to the seller with a credit card. (Pay Pal does in now way give you as much protection as a credit card company must - despite what they write and the road blocks they use to get you to use funds from your account so they do not have to pay the credit card company the 2% fees.) This way you put Pay Pal at more risk - who is much better at policing the their accounts and the credit card companies who share information for this type of thing, on your side when your ripped off. Someone who does this sort of thing probably has more things going on and cross references on a bigger scale can bring someone like this out in the light much sooner.
Sorry for anyone here being ripped off. I found the site late this summer when I was looking for some new skis and have been awed by all the great information on it and enthusiasts ready to anwer your questiuons on a sport they obviously dearly enjoy. I have also listed a few things in the classified section when I found it but I would gladly give that up if it made things more stable.
I realize everyone will not have a Pay Pal account ( and you don't know how bad I wish they had a formidable competitor - but that's another story - but its a way to protect yourself. I have had to force my credit card company to charge back Pay Pal when they did nothing about a trap I fell into a few years ago. Because I paid with a credit card they just charged Pay Pal back as they are actually the 'vendor' in all those transactions. It was up to them to get it back from the seller which I understand they did. So maybe this will help someone in the future.
post #63 of 87
Speaking as someone who just completed their first purchase via Epic (actually, not quite complete until the UPS truck arrives, but I am supremely confident in the outcome, thanks to seller quickk9! )......

I support these added measures, even as we accept that those so inclined will always find a way around. That is, regrettably, the reality of rules and regulations crafted to control human behavior... the law-abiding majority always suffers for the misdeeds of the very few.

I also want to acknowledge the efforts of mods to step up, support, enforce, follow up, help the victims. Even if EpicSki provides a forum for these dealings to occur, I am under no pretense that leadership is there to police the transaction... but it's reaffirming to see folks working hard to set things right.

Finally, since there have been TGR references, the following quote is "useless without pics".....

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Originally Posted by T-Square View Post
"Is is safe?"

Drilllllllllllllllll

"Is is safe?"




post #64 of 87

2 good to be true

if its 2 good to be true...then it probably is.

I bought my first mountain bike off of ebay from a guy with a horrible rating. He said "whats C.O.D?"

When the bike showed up...ups cut him a check
post #65 of 87
holy cow I think I was scammed too. I am pissed. Heres my thread at TGR lol.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...=1#post1554975
anything i can do to get this guy tell me.
I found his myspace that has his highschool and picture if that helps.


[Moderator Note Posted by Cirquerider]The myspace link contained explicit pornographic content and has been disabled[/Moderator]
post #66 of 87
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Whats really interesting is that the Maggots and Bears usually have each others backs.
Ewwww.

Bears have such hairy backs.
post #67 of 87
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Originally Posted by gapic skier View Post
Ewwww.

Bears have such hairy backs.
Let me guide you to the forum area about waxing.
post #68 of 87
I was one of the three people who got ripped off. When i messaged northcheels it seemed like any other transaction. In my 4 years of doing online dealings i have never had a problem. However this just sucks soo bad because for me to aquire the 250 bux for the salomon 1080s i was supposed to recieve was not easy. I had sold my older skis and borrowed some money from my parents. Now this sob has left me with no skis, im pretty much out of spending money and has pretty much ruined my ski season. Until i get some time off school to make a lil money he has ruined my season. Also now i need to borrow really shitty rental gear where i do ski patrol until i can buy osme half decent stuff. So northcheels if by any chance you come accross this post be warned. As you are enjoying your free season i know you bought from mt baker think about what you have done to me (a student) and the 2 others. And if you are over 18 you make me sick.
Thanks for the help guys hopefully somthing will happen.
post #69 of 87
My partner who got banned and I have sold many things on these forums and never had a problem. The easiest thing to do is to have people send yopu the gear UPS COD. You ahev to pay a few extra bucks but it's worth it.
post #70 of 87
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Originally Posted by CanadaSkis View Post
I was one of the three people who got ripped off. When i messaged northcheels it seemed like any other transaction. In my 4 years of doing online dealings i have never had a problem. However this just sucks soo bad because for me to aquire the 250 bux for the salomon 1080s i was supposed to recieve was not easy. I had sold my older skis and borrowed some money from my parents. Now this sob has left me with no skis, im pretty much out of spending money and has pretty much ruined my ski season. Until i get some time off school to make a lil money he has ruined my season. Also now i need to borrow really shitty rental gear where i do ski patrol until i can buy osme half decent stuff. So northcheels if by any chance you come accross this post be warned. As you are enjoying your free season i know you bought from mt baker think about what you have done to me (a student) and the 2 others. And if you are over 18 you make me sick.
Thanks for the help guys hopefully somthing will happen.
I have some Volant PowerKarves w/ Marker 8.1's in a 173. You are welcome to them for the cost of shipping. Pay it Forward.
post #71 of 87
Canadaskis, not create more havoc in your life but if you really feel strongly, you can report this to the FBI.
post #72 of 87
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Originally Posted by CanadaSkis View Post
I was one of the three people who got ripped off. When i messaged northcheels it seemed like any other transaction. In my 4 years of doing online dealings i have never had a problem. However this just sucks soo bad because for me to aquire the 250 bux for the salomon 1080s i was supposed to recieve was not easy. I had sold my older skis and borrowed some money from my parents. Now this sob has left me with no skis, im pretty much out of spending money and has pretty much ruined my ski season. Until i get some time off school to make a lil money he has ruined my season. Also now i need to borrow really shitty rental gear where i do ski patrol until i can buy osme half decent stuff. So northcheels if by any chance you come accross this post be warned. As you are enjoying your free season i know you bought from mt baker think about what you have done to me (a student) and the 2 others. And if you are over 18 you make me sick.
Thanks for the help guys hopefully somthing will happen.
Hey kid don't take any time off school to work only to ski, same deal as Phils, but mine are Line Darksides 165 cm, with a rossi binding, pay the shipping and there yours, pm me if you are interested, we can't let your ski season go by because this could be a good one.
post #73 of 87
Oh man thanks guys I really appreciate the offers, the only thing is im 6'4 220 lbs my old skis were 185's i dont know how short i could go? I wouldnt want to accept your offer if i wouldnt be using them to there fullest. Talk to me tho im open to suggestion as im kinda up sh*t creek.
post #74 of 87
I've got some Atomic 11:20's in a 190. I picked them up for the bindings at the ski swap. The ski is a beast, just right for a big guy like you, in usable condition. I just did the edges and they are not too bad. If someone here will throw in Atomic bindings they are yours for the shipping.
post #75 of 87
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Originally Posted by CanadaSkis View Post
Oh man thanks guys I really appreciate the offers, the only thing is im 6'4 220 lbs my old skis were 185's i dont know how short i could go? I wouldnt want to accept your offer if i wouldnt be using them to there fullest. Talk to me tho im open to suggestion as im kinda up sh*t creek.
I can't afford to give them away for free, but I would be glad to work a deal (from the $250 price) or installment plan if you think these 184cm M666 would work for you:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=54643

The reason I suggest it is that these skis are perfect for a tall heavy skier. I am also planning to sell my 180cm RX-8 at some point, also good for big dudes (but not as versatile as the M666). Both the M666 and RX-8 come with system bindings and are easily adjusted. And I have some 07 PEs, 179cm, still in plastic that I will probably sell too. If it will help a brother out, that increases my incentive to sell now instead of just thinking about it...
post #76 of 87
hey, i been looking for a good price on a 179 PE, pm me a price if u wanna sell.
post #77 of 87
The PEs are sold (to one of the scam victims).
post #78 of 87
CanadaSkis

Avail to you for shipping (unfortunately from SF so it might be a little bit expensive) Pair of Atomic R9 22's (betaride) 190 CM with 412 Centro bindings.

Like Phil says,

Pay it forward.

DC
post #79 of 87
Thread Starter 
Those R9:22 skis are fast and have great edge hold.
post #80 of 87
Cheers to all you guys offering your gear to CanadaSkis. That's really class-act.
post #81 of 87
Community!
post #82 of 87

Bunch of very cool people

I've read this thread start to finish. Lots of good info, and I'm sorry for the guys that got rooked.

Mostly, I'm really affected by the generosity of the guys offering to send along used equipment to the young fellow who lost his "virtual" skis.

Cheers,

Phil
post #83 of 87
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
I bought some bindings here once from a poster I wasn't real familiar with. I asked for a reference and was pointed to an ebay name, same as the Epic poster, with 60 transactions and a perfect rating.

That seemed to make sense at the time, but thinking about it now, if I wanted to commit fraud, using an ebay name with a good reputation and registering it on Epic would be a clever tactic.

My bindings came through just fine, and I mentioned that the next time that poster had something for sale. Maybe we need a buyer/seller rating of out own here. (More work, I know, just an idea)
There's an easy solution to this, PM them a code or something like "EpicSki is the hot grits!!" and tell them to post exactly that in their eBay "About Me" page. Only the owner of that eBay account would be able to do that so you can insure that it is actually the same person. My eBay account name is "Hvatum," I just updated my about me page with something along those lines:

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI...&userid=hvatum

I don't intend to sell anything on here as I'm young and have no old or extra gear, but I might one day perhaps.

Personally before making ANY purchase on here I would need to contact the person and speak with them over the phone. In the past I would have always recommended meeting in person, though now I have second thoughts about that as a general recommendation. Certainly it's still a good idea to make the transaction in a public place, but recently someone I know from college was killed when trying to make a transaction over Craigslist, they made the mistake of going to the persons house. Now I'd always recommend completing the transaction in a public place, or not at all.

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007...omment_ID=1665
post #84 of 87
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Originally Posted by Hvatum View Post
Only the owner of that eBay account would be able to do that so you can insure that it is actually the same person.

I don't intend to sell anything on here as I'm young and have no old or extra gear, but I might one day perhaps.
That's ok. We need young people like you to explain things like this to old senile folks like me. I never noticed an "about me" space on ebay. Thanks
post #85 of 87
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
I'm one of the victims and this is rather personal for me. I had been looking for the boots in the size advertised for my son for a while. On the day I started communicating with Northcheel I got news my mother died. (She had been ill and we didn't expect her to make it through the year but it still was very upsetting.) In haste to complete the deal I didn't do due diligence I normally would have & now I'm just plain pissed about being taken advantage of at the time I was. Right now I'd be happier seeing the guy go to jail for a few months or have a record that screws up his life than getting my money back.

So has any one actually filed a complaint with the perps local police? or any authorities?
post #86 of 87
I frequent softballfans.com where we have a buy/sell/trade forum for softball bats. Thousands of bats are bought and sold between private parties every year. There is a member feedback forum that allows members to leave positive or negative feedback after a transaction takes place. All potential buyers are cautioned to do a feedback check before forwarding any paypal funds. In instances where little to no feedback is available (i.e. a newbie) the seller is asked to ship in advance of payment, assuming the buyer has a perfect record of buying and selling himself per feedback. It's not a perfect solution...deadbeat sellers still find their way into the forum. However, in more than 100 deals I've done there I've never had a deal go sour (knock wood).

Here's a link to our tips for buying/selling/trading...

http://www.softballfans.com/forums/s...d.php?t=121014

I'm sure most if not all of these guidelines are applicable here.

Here's the link to our feedback section...

http://www.softballfans.com/forums/f...splay.php?f=13

They also have a "Outstanding Bad Deals" sticky to post member ID's of offenders and contact information.
post #87 of 87
Like Magnus posted ^^^ I participate on a Tennis site which allows buying and selling (so long as the items are not new). Their site includes a References forum to let people praise (or warn about) others in their transactions. Also, a Mod has to review each F/S posting before it is "kosher"....

[Now I'm off to find out how one becomes a "supporter" Bear....]

- KK
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