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post #1 of 27
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One cool thing about savvy locals: they help skiers in distress.
Example: an oblivious woman and two friends walk up to the front of the Funatel line where no one is standing, because there is a rope to keep that area clear. It is an epic bluebird day, midweek, and the Sades are going to be open. It is essential to make the first car.

I tell her that it is very important to me to make the first car and she is messing that up for me. (speaking politely)

She says I am nuts, basically. and holds her ground.

Soooo, later in the morning, I am skiing a large face and see a skier totally stuck in pow, skis way up the hill. (As usual when a skier is in need,) I collect the gear from a fairly steep pitch and ski it down the face. Who is staring up at me, all helpless and grateful, but the woman from Funatel. I smile down at her, extend a hand, and place her skis in the snow so she can get it back together.

I enjoyed the sort of reverse kharma as I gave her a particularly drawn out, "no problem".

Any other anecdotes? Rescues by surly, egocentric locals?
post #2 of 27
Just a quick note...karma (no "h") does not accrue within a lifetime. What you are referring to is more "what goes around comes around." At least from a Buddhist perspective. Nothing good or bad will happen to you in this lifetime b/c of karma.
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by Mike Aswell View Post
Just a quick note...karma (no "h") does not accrue within a lifetime. What you are referring to is more "what goes around comes around." At least from a Buddhist perspective. Nothing good or bad will happen to you in this lifetime b/c of karma.
'what he said!' (thanks Mike)

how quickly 'what goes around (could be the opposite of what) comes around'

and bad energy absorbed and projected outward as good energy is a trip.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
I tell her that it is very important to me to make the first car and she is messing that up for me. (speaking politely)
You seriously asked this of someone?? Surly and egocentric is right.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
One cool thing about savvy locals: they help skiers in distress.

Soooo, later in the morning, I am skiing a large face and see a skier totally stuck in pow, skis way up the hill. (As usual when a skier is in need,) I collect the gear from a fairly steep pitch and ski it down the face. Who is staring up at me, all helpless and grateful, but the woman from Funatel. I smile down at her, extend a hand, and place her skis in the snow so she can get it back together.
I don't do that! If the person was injured different story, but for a yard sale I just go by.

Typically if this person yard saled, they were skiing an area that was over their ability and need to learn how to deal with it!

PS> I don't expect people to pick up my stuff, I get it myself.
post #6 of 27
I help.

Just saying.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by lloyd braun View Post
I don't do that! If the person was injured different story, but for a yard sale I just go by.

Typically if this person yard saled, they were skiing an area that was over their ability and need to learn how to deal with it!

PS> I don't expect people to pick up my stuff, I get it myself.
OT,
I could have soooooooo much fun picking on you with this post.
But I won't.............or maybe I will.
First, someone who "yard sales" is on terrain above their ability.
Though true in some way, I believe all of us have had our own special sales on the slopes, even on terrain well within our ability.
Pssst, Skiprorob may or may not be able to tell one such story of me at ESA Stowe 2006

Second, PS>I don't expect people to pick up my stuff,............implies that you have -in deed- had a yard sale at least once, (I'm betting more than once) in your skiing career.

Hope you feel the love in my most humble attempt at humour at your expense.


davluri, bold and arrogant of you to ask someone to give up their place in line after your poor attitude about lift line cutting

Pot calling the kettle black mean anything to you?
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post

Second, PS>I don't expect people to pick up my stuff,............implies that you have -in deed- had a yard sale at least once, (I'm betting more than once) in your skiing career.

davluri, bold and arrogant of you to ask someone to give up their place in line after your poor attitude about lift line cutting
third. A yard sale is when you lose all your equipment right? 2 poles 2 skis. of course it has happened before probably will again but hasn't in some time. I was more talking about stepping out of a ski and needing a couple turns to get stopped leaving you many yards below your ski. Or getting a pole ripped out of your hand and having to stop then go back up to get it.

the funny thing about davluri's comment about asking someone to give up their spot in line because he needs to get to the "sades" before everyone else is this. Why would he care, would seem to me that he felt he was a stronger skier and would be able to hike or ski right past this person so what is even the point of asking. Seems stupid and arrogent to me as well.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by lloyd braun View Post
...for a yard sale I just go by.

Typically if this person yard saled, they were skiing an area that was over their ability and need to learn how to deal with it!

PS> I don't expect people to pick up my stuff, I get it myself.
Wow. I mean, wow. That's some attitude.

Two seasons ago I was skiing down North Face at Baker on an EPIC powder day. This is a single black diamond which I've skied countless times. The snow was deep, deep, deep. I do OK in powder and crud and this was well within my skill range.

One ski took a dive and I ejected, crashing below. My ski was well uphill of me in what turned out to be bottomless fresh snow on a steep slope. I had to somehow get about 50 feet uphill to get my ski. As I worked on this I realized that it would probably take me 20 minutes or more because of the difficulty of the climb due to the snow depth. I kept on. Finally a Ski Patroller came along, saw me and snagged my ski. I was saved from a whole lot of work.

I was skiing within my ability. I wasn't putting myself or anyone else in danger. I was just stuck in the snow.

And you would ski by.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post
Two seasons ago I was skiing down North Face at Baker on an EPIC powder day.

And you would ski by.
On an EPIC pow day......yup ski right on by!

It is a tough learning curve, deal with it!
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by lloyd braun View Post
On an EPIC pow day......yup ski right on by!

It is a tough learning curve, deal with it!

Location: Aspen
post #12 of 27
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mistaken

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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
If you read more carefully:

I told her that I had waited an hour because it was important to me. she had, on the other hand, walked up to the front of the line in front of 100 people when the lift was about to open, using the roped off no standing area to find a place to stand. She cut without thinking and I was polite with her as she was oblivious and harmless.

Can't read because you're so full of yourself mean anything to you.
post #13 of 27
No, your OP is totlly unclear it sounds like she walks up to the Funitel line where no one is standing. As in there is no line. That's what I got from it. It sounded like you then walked up and wanted to cut her.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
you're so full of yourself mean anything to you.

Listen Buddy, If anyone around here, besides myself (of course , is Full of themself IT IS YOU!

Trekchick: standing up for you......in a way!
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by lloyd braun View Post
On an EPIC pow day......yup ski right on by!

It is a tough learning curve, deal with it!
Don't come to Baker. People here help each other out. No friends on a powder day even has limits.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
One cool thing about savvy locals: they help skiers in distress.
Example: an oblivious woman and two friends walk up to the front of the Funatel line where no one is standing, because there is a rope to keep that area clear. It is an epic bluebird day, midweek, and the Sades are going to be open. It is essential to make the first car.
You mean the Funitel at Squaw? Right?

And why is it essential to be on first car on a sunny day? No powder indicated here.
post #17 of 27
Interesting how f***ing difficult it is to read the OP.....BTW, I have been in this funitel line, so for those of you that havent, listen up.

First off, Chrisc, "why is it essential to be on the first car on a sunny day. no powder indicated here." Notice davluri says, an epic, "BLUEBIRD" day. Bluebird implies powder. If it wasn't powder, it wouldn't be a bluebird day, it would just be a sunny day.

TO everyone who got that the OP cut the line. Let me explain what i got from it. The Squaw Funitel line on an epic day is unbelievable. 200+ people, all powder crazed, looking to be in the front. Ive gotten there at 7:30,(lifts open at 9:30 if your lucky on a powder day) and still not been first in line. Being first in line is pretty freaking important when youve been standing there for 2 hours.

The stuff about the roped off section. The lifties and ski patrol rope off about 10 feet in front of the funitel doors, so people arent squeezing through them or getting squished by their auto closing. There is a very clear rope, and it should be obvious when there are 200 peopole and none of them are standing there. So, said lady was cutting THE ENTIRE LINE.

Trekchick, learn how to read and ddont assume sh*t so fast.

Interesting how the person who later actually got someone their skis on an epic day, gets way more crap than the guy who openly said he wouldnt do that.

About getting skis for people. I do it less now then I used to, mainly because over 80% of the time it is some gaper with a big ego showing off to his wife on the diamonds. And, frankly, I think the only way they will learn to not endanger themselves and others is to have amiserable experience atleast once.

However, if I see someone skiing well, going big, whatever, well within their ability, fall, I will go for their ski. Theres an obvious difference between a gaper who should stick to the groomers side slipping for 10 minutes and hten finally going down and someone who might have just hit a big drift, rock or crossed their tip.

Peace out.
post #18 of 27

Context is king

Now that I know the story, what davluri posted makes perfect sense. But the first time, I read it the same way epic and trek did.

It is the difference between

[walk up to the front of the Funatel line where no one is standing]

and

[walk up to the front of the Funatel line]
[where no one is standing, because there is a rope to keep that area clear.]

Actually, to be an intellectual snob, I bet a few more people would read it right if you moved the comma to a different place in the sentence.

Communication is amazingly hard, even when it seems easy.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by bennerlur View Post
Interesting how f***ing difficult it is to read the OP.....BTW, I have been in this funitel line, so for those of you that havent, listen up.

First off, Chrisc, "why is it essential to be on the first car on a sunny day. no powder indicated here." Notice davluri says, an epic, "BLUEBIRD" day. Bluebird implies powder. If it wasn't powder, it wouldn't be a bluebird day, it would just be a sunny day.
Whatever. Bluebird implies sunshine, not snow.

And if it was epic powder day, no one in the Funitel line would allow a bunch of random chicks to cut them off. Generally the lifties are sitting there scanning tickets too -- making it so, so unlikely.

If Davluri could tell a story, we would not need to have fights over his narrative. He is almost so cryptic and vague that it's unbelievable.
post #20 of 27
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help from down under

Some years ago, before I lived in Tahoe, I crashed in a chute off KT. I slid down the narrow choke point of the chute and left a my G-31 above the choke. Way steep and deep for hiking up for the ski. For sure no one is coming this way, and if someone does, how are they going to grab my ski where it is lodged, I worried. Then, totally tearing it up, this big, strong skier grabs my ski on the fly, chops a couple turns through the crux of the chute and swings to a stop at my location. me:"Thanks man, saved my butt"(feeling guilt at being the cause of ruining his run). Big Aussie replies: "no problem, mate". Everyone big smiles on an epic storm day. He skis off and shreds the rest of that motha'. What a skier! tearing up that chute while carrying a ski and saving my butt, where most humans couldn't have skied at all.

Since then, I have been even more diligent to look after my karma.

notes:

The woman and her friends were in their late 50's, so all of us at the front of the line were gentle with them. The minor problem was that they would present a slow clot when the rush for the car began, a sort of 'pick' if you will.

And Crisc:"... making it so unlikely..." The "lifties" were not there yet. Isn't it really is necessary for the sake of a forum discussion to take a person at their word, (calculating for the exaggeration factor and all). I mean, why not?

And later that same morning, that same woman from the line, (I mean what are the chances of that?), now half-buried on the hill, well, you just had to see the look on her face (and that look is the point of the whole story, as I had no way of knowing whose ski I had picked up at at that moment) when she realized "oh, God, I'm being rescued by the same guy I was shi--y to in the line this morning"
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by okolepuka View Post
Location: Aspen
generalizations like this only come from the most sophisticated people!
post #22 of 27
Dav really should have explained the set-up a little better.

however, to his credit he has been slagged for writing overly long posts in the past that folks had a hard time wading through and comprehending.

i have a feeling that he went for brevity in an attempt to avoid a long, rambling post and getting slagged again.

however the brevity somewhat back-fired as he left out essential details (which Benner elaborated on later).

still, reading the initial post it sounded like Dav came up on these nice women in the line and asked politely if he could cut in front of them. that was my interpretation of the whole thing.

so, just to clarify, the ladies got in the wrong part of the line, right? So effectively they were cutting in front of everybody else, is that true? also, if my interpretive skills are operating correctly, it sounds like they got in the wrong part of the line on accident. perhaps explaining to them the parameters of the queue would have worked better than telling them you wanted first run?

again, though, i wasn't there and really wasn't able to grasp the full spectrum of the situation from the initial post.

i guess the overall moral of the story is to stop and help a fellow skier regardless of who they are, their ability, and whatnot. karma? i dunno, but it's just the right thing to do if you were raised with any sense of responsibility and conscientious kindness.

hell, i'd even help the arrogant, self-centered Lloyd B. (that's just my uneducated impression of the fellow based on his responses here, which if meant in jest didn't include the appropriate emoticons) if he were hosting an on-hill garage sale. that's just the kind of sport i am (and how my folks raised me). of course if i'm zipping by and to stop to aid a fallen skier was going to put me in jeopardy, that's another matter. but usually i see somebody fall as i'm approaching the lip of a run and will always ski down and pick up their gear for them.

all i know is that on a bluebird powder day i tend to stay away from tourist magnets like Squaw and Heavenly. best to go where the locals go and then ski the lines they aren't (case in point AM last season during the big Feb dump. Everyone was lined up for the Summit chair. They stood in line for almost an hour. During that time my buddy and i did laps off Roundhouse and scored some almost-first lines. no lift line, semi-fresh tracks. everyone was happy).

post #23 of 27
Way to condense it Dookey!
post #24 of 27
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What goes around....

[quote=dookey67;803071]Dav really should have explained the set-up a little better....

....t sounds like they got in the wrong part of the line on accident. perhaps explaining to them the parameters of the queue would have worked better than telling them you wanted first run?. [END QUOTE]



... I know, I know, this is beyond belabored, but I was hoping the stroy would catch a smile and it surely didn't. so here, it's a funny story, no more, no less.

the women were wealthy Europeans, and they were intentionally oblivious.

they walked into the roped off keep clear area because it was comfortable. there they wouldn't have to be compressed by herb-smelly skiers or get first-of-the-morning beer spilled on their fur-trimmed bogners,

and it was conveniently at the front of 100 other skiers who had been standing in line for an hour.

They would then create a block at the door when skiers started to sprint for the first car.

That would be why I tried to explain the situation to them.

But that isn't the point, the point would be :"what goes around reverses itself and comes around".

And no way I would ever cut a line.

thanks for listening. (no hard feelings about the kettle an' all)


thanks for trying, dookey
post #25 of 27
C'mon. You gotta do the courtesy uphill gear pickup.

Just bad juju (technical eschatalogical term ) to blow it off.
post #26 of 27
Hello all. I don't post very much, but sometimes it is hard not to speak your mind when confronted with such ignorance and lack of empathy. Have a crappy day Lloyd Braun! Mean people suck!
post #27 of 27
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Hello all. I don't post very much, but sometimes it is hard not to speak your mind when confronted with such ignorance and lack of empathy. Have a crappy day Lloyd Braun! Mean people suck!
lack of empathy I can see your point, but ignorance....not the case.

Lloyd

PS> I am having a wonderful day!
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