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post #31 of 53
For a guy with a 116 post count...

you could have represented well in the endless thread. Sorry we missed you. :

I'm old and skied skinny skis at Alta in the early to mid-70s. I can attest to not only face shots, but complete burial.


and not all of us made lame tiny tight turns when 205 - 210 GS skis were the tool.
It was tougher to film in the 70s than tape with a mini DV today. I have no film of my prowness.
post #32 of 53
If it's your goal to get snow in your face, telemark.
post #33 of 53

doing my best brobrah impression

that's video absolutely rocks! I think I saw that dude in the video last year huck some huge air down off that cliff at Glory Hole - it was sick!

The dudes with the fatties definitely look less in the backseat and are still getting covered despite their obviously increased floatation.
post #34 of 53
Yeah well guess what? We don't ski like we did thirty five years ago! Yeah, we are thirty five years older, yet we ski better than ever, even on narrow skis. I never skied backseat like that, but it looks like they were having fun, which just might be the best reason to ski. The Three Dog Night song sucks.
post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

I'm old and skied skinny skis at Alta in the early to mid-70s. I can attest to not only face shots, but complete burial.
Yep, we moved under the surface like whales, only coming up for air, then returning to the depths.
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
If it's your goal to get snow in your face, telemark.
Falling works pretty well too. (So I've been told, anyway.)
post #37 of 53
Yeah, free your heel and fall on your face a lot. That's not what I meant, but it's true. Good point.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
I'm old and skied skinny skis at Alta in the early to mid-70s. I can attest to not only face shots, but complete burial.
Yep- pencil skies were around in the 90's too. I seem to remember a face shot or two (or a thousand)- the part I don't miss is hitting the flats and crashing, then trying to dig out before you drown. Gives me the willies. Nice instructional videos for discussion, keep 'em coming!!!
post #39 of 53
I get more face shots on my fat skis because I never get tired. I can ski without losing my breath. = more runs and more face shots. Period.
post #40 of 53
I Remember in the late '70s skiing w/ a snorkle on big pow days because thats the only way you could breath: I still have that snorkle but don't seen to need as much.
post #41 of 53
Avalung is the new snorkle!

Floundering in the flats at the bottom of Glory Hole was the pits. You had to totally rip that cirque to make to the ridge traverse if you didn't want to hike in hip deep snow for hours.
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
I get more face shots on my fat skis because I never get tired. I can ski without losing my breath. = more runs and more face shots. Period.
I like that skiing gets me tired and makes me breathe hard. Exclamation mark.
post #43 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I like that skiing gets me tired and makes me breathe hard. Exclamation mark.
if it makes you quit early why? get the most for your lift ticket. If you want to breath hard go hike/skin up something.
post #44 of 53
The guy at 2:22 - 2:32 in the 1974 video looked like he was having a hard time.
post #45 of 53
if you wore those pants you would too
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
if it makes you quit early why? get the most for your lift ticket. If you want to breath hard go hike/skin up something.
Who quits early? I prefer skiing to hiking, but I might get some skins and hit Laurel this year. I think the appeal of skinning is more about the descent. Should I skin up Whitetail and ski down the lift accessible groomed piste? I don't get it. I'm in Maryland.
post #47 of 53
I agree, but steepness and quality of snow had a lot to do with it.

lets say you got a big storm like 25 inches... no tracks ...

If you have slim ski you are forced to go to the steepest run, at less than 35 angle you will probably not float to turn. Tiring like hell!, you need to dance up and down (video 1)

Mid fat you can go probably around 25-30, and still go at a decent speed if you surface and submerge. you get snow in your face mostly at turns.

Superfat you go much better. If it is steep enough you can actually keep the tips submerged lift enormous quantities of snow... (video 3).

IMHO Superfat are not fun at all after 2-3 days from the dump, snow has packed, they do not turn as well, weight more and you float to much...

btw I am the guy in the second video (thanks for linking). These ski were BlackDiamond havoc (122-88-115 i believe). If you check my other video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYDRdT7YBA) there is another guy with a BD crossbow (slightly slimmer). In general he was slower but went deeper and got way too much snow in his face... also much more tiring.

bottom line you should own a pair of mid-fat and rent the superfat for the occasional big day. But run as they rent fast.
post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by alanbicco View Post
I agree, but steepness and quality of snow had a lot to do with it.

lets say you got a big storm like 25 inches... no tracks ...

If you have slim ski you are forced to go to the steepest run, at less than 35 angle you will probably not float to turn. Tiring like hell!, you need to dance up and down (video 1)

Mid fat you can go probably around 25-30, and still go at a decent speed if you surface and submerge. you get snow in your face mostly at turns.

Superfat you go much better. If it is steep enough you can actually keep the tips submerged lift enormous quantities of snow... (video 3).

IMHO Superfat are not fun at all after 2-3 days from the dump, snow has packed, they do not turn as well, weight more and you float to much...

btw I am the guy in the second video (thanks for linking). These ski were BlackDiamond havoc (122-88-115 i believe). If you check my other video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDYDRdT7YBA) there is another guy with a BD crossbow (slightly slimmer). In general he was slower but went deeper and got way too much snow in his face... also much more tiring.

bottom line you should own a pair of mid-fat and rent the superfat for the occasional big day. But run as they rent fast.
dude that last video rocks, you local to LCC?
post #49 of 53
you can increase your face-shot ratio by cranking your turn a little harder, thus driving deeper into the snow. then that refreshing blast!
post #50 of 53

Faceshots

BUSHWACKER, Great post. I will not enter into the discussion on whatever........ Got my 183 Gotamas, they're mounted and standing up in my Ski room awaiting some cold weather up here. Raining ugh !:
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
dude that last video rocks, you local to LCC?
No, but I am getting old, so I have been there a lot. I moved out of Europe and Utah quickly become my favorite place to ski. I have skied about 10-15 days in the Wasatch every year in the last 10 years or so. What I like about the place is the consistency of snowfall. It is very rare to have 10 dry consecutive days, and the Snow is the best I could find anywhere. Also convenient. Never skied in Idaho or Canada BC, but I prefer Utah to Colorado.

BTW I live in flat WashingtonDC and spend 2-3 days in Whitetail skiresort to check legs...
post #52 of 53
i've skied skinny skis in powder (198 7S's @ 63mm), mid-fats in powder (177 Mantras @ 94mm) and super-fats (185 Spats @ 125mm) and I've never gotten face shots on any of them...

post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Avalung is the new snorkle!
I've used mine several times in bounds. It beats having a stupid snorkle hanging from your goggle strap. Seriously.

I used to ski powder with 210 GS skis and I didn't always do little pogo turns, but it was nothing compared to today. With a 110 waisted ski you don't even really realise how fast you're going. I easily get as many face-shots today as I did in the 80's/90's, but it's a lot more fun getting them now.
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