Marker Bindings - Page 3

karmacoma,
I notice that Nordica is going to Vist next year. Is the Vist hole pattern the same as the Comp 14?

no, the nordica / vist hole pattern is different from the marker hole pattern (comp 14) - luckily i had a vist plate/world cup (the solid kind) so didn't have to add holes in the skiis themselves and filling holes in a vist plate is a snap......for the record, the Vist binding is in fact a variation of the old nordica binding - vist apparently bought nordica binding adn therr technology a few years ago.........when i went to my local shop to mount the vist binding they didn't have a vist template, but we noticed right away that the nordica template was perfect, and used that one without any problems.

isn't nordica line comming from ESS???

if it was my problem then why do other binding work at lower dins for me than markers, well except the Duke which has been great.

Your L9? really? prove it.

although i had really scary prerelease today on Tyrolias and am going to be alittle more careful next time on something thats not comp binders.

Untill you have skied with me you have no basis for those comments.

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What Tyrolias?
I've got the old (antique actually) metal 490, a FF 17 plus, and a Fisher FR12 and never had a problem with any of them.

FF 13 to be fair it involved sideways movement a rut and really hard hard pack. Its sent me on a 300 yard slide for life down big emma. As soon as i started sliding my left foot still had a ski on it and that popped off right away as soon as I tried to dig it in(expected that though 35 mph to edge set will do that to skis) luckly despite the distance I was able to self arrest using my poles/boots.

binders were set at 12.

spikedog and tromano both saw it as well as my friend kristy. pretty scary.

I have 4 pairs of skis that I used fairly regularly this season. 3 pair had Marker Comp 18's on them and one pair had Dukes. All set on the same DIN.

The Dukes are the only ones that pre-released on me. Twice.

I'll have to put that in the possibly pre-released but equally possibly saved your knee department as per design; skis aren't meant to go sideways through ruts.

Slide for life on a green? Haha. Gnarly, dude!

you know how steep it is lol.

No, I only skied one day at Snowbird and never worked my way up to Big Emma. I hear it's steeper than anything 'round here though

No. ESS became Atomic.

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any time any conditions: I understand you are the highest majesty?????

i know that; but interresting wher the nordica line is comming from????

There's only one way to settle this. Chinese Downhill!

Vist bindings were developed by Nordica while Nordica was owned by the Benetton Group, Benetton sold the ski and boot company and the binding ended up with Vist... now they are back on Nordica skis.

thanks: but benetton had not made any bindings before did they???

my Q should read (my fault): is nordica binding a new design and developement or it's based on a binding which merged with nordica???

Kubagr - in case you didn't catch all of the information regarding the nordica - their is an italian company called Vist which will supply Nordia with vist bindings - Vist is an independent company (vist.it) and makes very nice bindings - they bought their technology from Nordica when it was owned by Benetton

just VISiTed their page. they look like older models made by salomon. but, how much can you do about the look of different binding.........

If you're thinking about the older Salomons I think you are, those are now Atomic Evox.

actually i find the salomons and the vist very different, especially the mechanisms of the piece. i think if you study how the vist tow piece works you will find that it does not have much in common with the salomon toe piece.
the heal piece is like so many other heels out there

COOL! Snowbird is all that is left this year though.......................

a basin and whistler, and mt hood..........
plus south america, plus new zealand plus glaciers in europe........

Vist is also the same as Atomic Neox..... Perhaps there could be some ess tech in them. Atomic FFG is salamon.

BushwackerinPA (World Cup Ski Hero)

Man if you are so freaking fast and daring and tough and athletic and fearless and a leading expert ski binding design you must have a whole basement full of freeskiing / racing / SX hardware sitting next to your engineering degree. Talk about a legend in you own mind. Since you told us to beware we have only our own selves to blame if we buy Marker Bindings against your advice. If they work for others it's only because they don't ski as well as the Great BushW... I have used Markers for years as well as Solomom and Tyrolia and Atomic (which are the only ones that ever gave me grief). Self appointed experts that condemn a whole line of equipment because of one poorly performing example are full of Sh#t! It's like saying all Fords are crap because you owned a '71 Pinto that sucked. But then again you probably do hate Fords because you had a pre-release while in the backseat!

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Well, this discussion took an interesting turn. I saw in the rules we should endeavor to remain polite.
I've always wondered about concerns about pre-releasing. I've skied with same sized cohorts who owned the same boots, size and all, and yet if we swap skis on the hill, they will release while I NEVER do. So, in this case it is not the ski nor the binding that is different but the skier... The only other variable that I can consider is that I am particular about scraping the bottom of my boots before entering the bindings. Whether Marker, Tyrolia, Atomic, old or new, or even Salomon, I have never had a pre release. Admittedly, I don't jump cliffs but I might log 50,000 vertical feet in a day all over a mountain and my releases, though rare are always when needed. And I'm not cranking them above the standard chart for Level III, or even Level II when I was less than 50 even. Some say I'm smooth. Perhaps I'm just lucky?
EJ

Kirpeknots stated that Neox and vist were the same. I could not find a reference to confirm this statement. Anyone have that data? I concur that FFG is Salomon. Both are part of AMER SPORTS. The conglomerates own everthing it seems!
EJ

bushwacker - doubtless there are some interesting points of discussion which you bring up, but i am not sure that everything you point out with regard to marker bindings is correct - that said, perhaps they are. (?) to be specific, i think that it is very evident that any binding that has te be set notably higher than the standardized DIN recommendation needs looking into, unless being done so by a world cup racer - either that or the standards of what DIN represent needs to be looked at and rethought - i am not sure that this problem is implicit and specific to marker, or also to other companies who have intergrated a biometric-like approach to toe mechanics.
having lost a friend this year on the slopes to a 'stupid' accident, i have personally become more aware of bindings, and equipment in general, than i have in the past. my friend, an excellent skier who has skied at expert levels for 30 years, stepped out of a binding at very very low speed and the consequences, still unbelievable, were fatal. could be destiny? or bad luck? or bad design? a little or all of the above i'm afraid......he had the latest, and greatest equipment.....which failed miserably.

but beyond that, for me what is evident is that modern equipment is allowing a very high percentage of the skiing population to go much faster, and as we see more and more often on crowded slopes, often with little regard for other skiers. In fact, i spent a good part of the season nurturing broken ribs and torn ligaments in my shoulder (still can't put on a jacket) after being plowed into by a guy going at very high speed, with great equipment but very little preparation in how to ski on a mountain with variable terrain and little knowledge of etiquette - so be it. I accept the risk and accept the danger as part of the pleasure. that said, it is obvious that modern equipment advances need to be responded to with further modern equipment advances - it unprepared skiers continue to go faster, bindings will need to be designed with that in mind....there are allot of very strong people our there skiing with aggressive and athletic techniques ..........binding manufactures are surely responding by looking at and studying these skiers - standards, techniques and mentality change (i should add the word 'dude' here, but that would emphasize that I approve)
lets not forget what good skiers 50 years ago were skiing on!

i don't know if this so, but i have heard/read that Vist produced for Neox for many years....i don't know if this is under the current ownership of vist, or when the vist system was owned by benetton/nordica.....one thing FOR SURE - looking at the neox: just look at the system, the design, the mechanics, the lines and even the name, and it is readily evident that these two bindings came out of the same factory.