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He's ready to leave his rear entry boots behind - Now what?

post #1 of 19
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A bit of history:
My husband, Terry has been skiing in Rraichle Rear Entry boots since the early/mid 80's. He fell in love with them because they had the knobs to adjust the fit, and he has a narrow heel.
When he found out that Rraichle was out of business, and he'd never see his rear entry boots again, he started to hit ebay and bought everything he could imagine. so, we have a few rubbermaid storage containers full of his "gold mine of boots"


Next part of the saga:
He's decided he may give modern boots a try, which I didn't take seriously. Nor did Epic or Phil.
Then I picked up my skis at Don Orr Ski shop, and he tagged along. While I was busy with the ski tech, my husband was trying on Boots!!!!:
Don Orr carries Dalbello's but not the Krypton series. He had them last year but is a small shop and can't keep everything in stock that he'd like to.

The boots he tried on were the Technica Diablo(?), and a Dalbello Proton 8.
He liked the Proton the best between the two but had a problem with the heel being too loose, and a tight spot on the top of his foot, just above the second buckle.
He tried both boots in a 26.5 and 27.5. The 27.5 fit the best without losing circulation.

My feeling is that he needs to try on a Krypton Cross before taking the plunge.

Now I ask the boot experts, what do I do to make sure his transition from Rear Entry boots is a good one and that he'll embrace the new generation of boot technology?
post #2 of 19
I think since there are guys here asking what gear they should buy their wives..you should post this over at Divas :
post #3 of 19
Now that I go that out of my system.

Not only was he in rear entries...he was in bad ones at that.

I would suggest the Krypton, obviously. One because of the narrower pocket..and two because the middle buckle will pull him into the pocket better.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Now that I go that out of my system.

Not only was he in rear entries...he was in bad ones at that.

I would suggest the Krypton, obviously. One because of the narrower pocket..and two because the middle buckle will pull him into the pocket better.
I suggested that he try the Krypton Pro, which is what he wanted to try, but since the shop didn't have it for him to try on, he tried other stuff.

The KP Ski Shop at Crystal Mountain has the Krypton Pro and Rampage in stock. Which is where he'll likely try them on.

Jeff, the boot fitter at Don Orr's, suggested the Krypton Cross, because the Pro is stiffer and a guy coming from rear entry boots may need a softer flex to make the transition.
post #5 of 19
Don't necessarily agree that there will be a transition period. Not all rear entry boots were soft, but that may be what hubby prefers.

You are on the right track with the Krypton series however. I think just have him buy what feels like the correct flex and go ski. The design of the boot makes everything flex a little softer than the numbers imply.

Lou
post #6 of 19
If he measured 26.5 and went up to a 27.5 to clear the instep, he is taking the wrong path. The Proton is fairly low across the instep and if it is tight there, the answer might be to work on the instep clearence in the 26, but realistically, he might want to consider a different boot with a higher instep so that he could get the correct size.

SJ
post #7 of 19
IMHO - Get thy to a bootfitter. There must be one up there someplace. Not so sure about the Krypton advice either. The Krypton's heel is anything but narrow, and I think that if the boot fits well, he won't need a cable buckle to "pull" him into the heel pocket. Coming out of the heel pocket is probably more because of inappropriate flex or inappropriate angles in the cuff and boot board. If he has stiff ankle and is in a soft boot with tons of forward lean, then no amount of rubber donuts, padding, or even cable buckles will keep his heel down. That's why you need to start from ground zero with a real deal bootfitter. Strap some boots on and see what happens. Try a Salomon Impact, try a Nordica Hot Rod, try a Krypton, give 'em all a shot. And above all, listen to the bootfitter.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
If he measured 26.5 and went up to a 27.5 to clear the instep, he is taking the wrong path. The Proton is fairly low across the instep and if it is tight there, the answer might be to work on the instep clearence in the 26, but realistically, he might want to consider a different boot with a higher instep so that he could get the correct size.

SJ
Jim,Since I wasn't there during the beginning of his 'fitting', I don't know if the girl he started with actually fit him or if she just started putting boots on him. When she turned him over to Jeff, he was already comparing the fit of the 26.5 and 27.5. I'm not sure, but I think the 26.5 was sincerely too tight for a recreational fit.
Since his heel was sloppy (width, not length) in the Proton, I was figuring on taking him to a shop that has the krypton series in stock to try one on.

I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but he wears a 9 1/2 B shoe.

I took some time to look on your web site for the widths and reviews of ski boots, and am sure the Proton is NOT the boot for him.

KP ski Shop at Crystal Mountain has a Great boot fitter, and they stock the Krypton series. I'm hoping to get Terry to go in there and see what they have for him, even if its not a dalbello.
post #9 of 19
Shoe size and boot size don't really belong in the same sentence but if forced at swordpoint to predict what shell size would best fit a 9-1/2B....I'd start with 26's.

BTW....Protons run a bit short.

SJ
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Shoe size and boot size don't really belong in the same sentence but if forced at swordpoint to predict what shell size would best fit a 9-1/2B....I'd start with 26's.

BTW....Protons run a bit short.

SJ
That is where he had a fit issue, in the proton. Heel slop, yet his toe was cramped to the end, even with the boot flexed, his toe was touching the end of the boot.

I appreciate the input. It gives me some idea where to look next.
Other boots that have been suggested are Lange, (no specific model) and Technica Agent.
post #11 of 19
The Agent is a "medium" in width and instep height. The Lange will be similar but narrower in the heel/ankle. Neither of these has the short last problem that the Proton does. An internet judgement is tough but I might be thinkin' Lange FR 110, Nordie Dobermann 100, Maybe a Krypton although it's possibly too wide in the heel. The Falcon 9/10 is a shot from 3 point range 'cuz they may be too low in the instep.

Call me and hold his foot up to the phone......(jus kiddin')......

SJ
post #12 of 19
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Does this help?

Okay, I admit, I'll take a picture of anything. Including his broken foot. It's a tad swollen in this picture.
post #13 of 19
A tad...............yeah that's good.

Take 2 oxies and call me in the.....late afternoon.

uhhhhh.....yer quiver doesn't include a sledgehammer duzzit??

SJ
post #14 of 19
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A tad...............yeah that's good.

Take 2 oxies and call me in the.....late afternoon.

uhhhhh.....yer quiver doesn't include a sledgehammer duzzit??

SJ
No sledgehammer, well, yea, I do own a few of those too, but that's not how he did this.
He went dirtbiking at a place called stump junction. He has an awesome story about how he caught a stump with his foot, but his buddies have a better story.
The two lines you see in his ankle are the screws that were put there to hold the titanium rod in place when he broke his tib-fib in 2003.
But the fool never missed a day of work. My dad said "marry a hard working man" ........I did.
post #15 of 19
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I was going to post this comment in the First Impressions of the IlMoro thread, but figured I'd bring this thread full circle.

First Impressions from Mr TC weren't so much fun. He is a believer in two things(maybe more but that is for another thread )Thick Socks & Rear Entry Boots.
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Boring story you can skip over:
Mr TC's been hinting that he's ready to take the plunge into a modern boot, but I've tried not to push him.
His normal shoe size is a 9 1/2 B, and since I have a fairly narrow foot, he figured that the same type of boot that fits me may fit him.
He tried on some boots while I was picking up my skis at Don Orr's one day, which was step one in his quest.
Finding that the dalbello boot was the best feel for him he decided that he may actually like to get into a Krypton.
Finally he got a chance to try the Rampage, which had a nice feel and form for him but they didn't have his size. On to ordering from our friend SierraJim, who happened to have the Il'moro in stock in my husband's size.
His first day skiing with the Il'moro was trying at best. He spent a lot of time with Jim at Precision Footworks, working out of the KP Mountain shop at Crystal. He is one of the best pedorthists around these parts.
Jim measured his foot in detail finding that Mr TC had very little room in the forefoot with the thick socks. Tried hard to get him to switch to a thin sock. Did I mention that Mr TC is a tad stubborn?
Heated the intuitions for forming, which was not an easy thing to go through because the tight toe box with the toe caps was........well, tight.
Mr TC skied two runs in the boots took them off and swore he'd never ski anything but a rear entry boot again.

Second impression:
After skiing with the Bears at Boyne and listening to them talk about "stuff" MrTC decided that he may want to see if he needed a different modern boot than the Krypton or if he just needed to Trust the Bootfitter and go back for more "dialing in of the boots"
Monday Jan 21st: Mr TC enters KP shop With his Il'moros in hand and tries on a few boots. The bootfitter says, "I really think you'd like the feel better if you'd TRY A THINNER SOCK!"
Finally he Tries a thinner sock!!! whoo hooo.
After much discussion, the boot fitter actually told him the width difference between the Rossib12 he liked and the IlMoro is 2mm.
So, Mr TC decides to try the Il'moro again.
He looks at me and says "Snook,(sometimes he calls me snook), I think these stupid boots are going to work"
Then he looks at the fitter and says, "Can you put something in the heel like you talked about to tighten it up a bit?"
And we skied!
hmmmmm. Now Bud may not be able to laugh at his rear entry boots at Copper on Friday. Don't worry, he'll have plenty other things to laugh about!

Also, Jim, the Agent was a boot Terry tried but it was a tad wide for him.
The others he wanted to try were the Langes you mentioned, but the fitter we had the most time to spend with does not carry Lange.
post #16 of 19
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While I was busy with the ski tech, my husband was trying on Boots!!!!:
what I want to know is does your husband know you was busy with the ski tech...and what were you doing with him
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by CEM View Post
what I want to know is does your husband know you was busy with the ski tech...and what were you doing with him
The ski tech said...........
(picture a twin tipper)
Duuuuude, you're the chick with the Blue House's? Sweeeeeeet.
They ARE a Noodle!!!!
You must really rip!
I said, "eh! I make my way down the hill okay"
He said... AWESOME!!!! If you sell this sweeeeet ride, let me know. I def wanna hook up on some of these!!!
post #18 of 19
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Back to the regularly scheduled program!

He listened to Bud!!! WOW! My husband doesn't usually listen.

When we got to Copper, Terry was a tad overwhelmed by all the Bears and the attention "we" were getting. He put his boots on and, as the boot guy at KP's said, his feet swelled in the altitude. So, an already snug boot was REALLY snug.
Bud offered some advice to Terry about buckling the boots, first thing in the day. Terry seemed to not be paying attention, but then.......he did what Bud said.........:
Now, Terry does what Bud Suggested, and he's really liking the Il Moro's.
Thanks for all the info, friendship and advice. This team is amazing, and I am blessed!!!
post #19 of 19
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I said, "eh! I make my way down the hill okay"
Tsavo usually answers this way, "I can get off a chairlift unassisted..."
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