Originally Posted by Richie-Rich
Hey Atomicman, I don't know if you have read any of my boot dilemma posts, but I was wondering in your opinion, being that the boot-fitter told me that I should be in boots with 100mm lasts, should I bother with the 150? See, I want very high performance boots, but they are all narrow as you know. In thinning and stretching all that plastic to allow for a less than tear inducing fit, I might just be turning a 150 into a 120...but paying out the nose to arrive at the same place (at least that's what the boot fitter suggested). This week I am getting the 120 RS, depending on how I like them I can keep them or special order the 130 or 150s, sight unseen, so it will be mine and wont be returnable. Your input is appreciated.
I bought the 150 sight unseen.
You must understand the 120 & 130 are quite different boots from the 150.
the 150 lower shell is much much thicker plastic and the liner is different. it has a much thinner lace up liner with different material around the ankle area. . Although you do not have to lace it.
The 150 is much less anatomic mold and is not meant to fit out of the box. In fact i could not get my foot in the 27 shell with liner on to even have my boot guy do a stance analysis. With no liner and a bare foot with just my footbed in the shell my foot touched the shell everywhere except length.
contrary to what this "bootfitter" said you are not going to end up with a 120 Rs by having your 150 ground to fit your foot. My foot is wider then yours, by the way. The only thing I would be concerned with is the Flex, but there are ways to soften the boot further. the 140 seems to work well for me but I am 186 Lbs. and 6' and have fairly long tibias and very slim lower legs.
I am skiing the 150 set on the factory 140 flex (one screw only) I have had a chance to ski the boot about 5 days now. We have had little or no groomer days here. (Just one) And this boot is fabulous. I also use a Triple Booster strap under the entire cuff over the tongue. I have never felt as balanced as in this boot. I have skied mostly deep powder with it and boy have we had some incredibly good snow and lots of it. But had one fantastic groomer day.
We also straightened the boot up some and I have about a 3 MM heel lift. But we put the spoiler back in. to take up some space at the top of the cuff.
I beleive the 120 RS is designed to have minmal work done on it and has a thicker liner. The 150 again is meant to be completely custom fit and has a minimalist liner.
As far as comfort goes Last monday i skied 20,000 vertical feet in all untracked and chopped up pow. Hiked, out to Morning Glory Bowl past the new Northway Lift at Crystal skied Penny Dawg.s cliffs lots of high Campbell Powder Bowl and Bear Pits all day!!!!. Never skied a groomed run and everything we skied the entire day was true Black diamond and Double Black Diamond runs. ( None of this exaggarated difficulty stuff at Crystal) it was 22 degrees out! We skied from 9 AM to 1;30 straight without a break except to hike. Not only were my feet warm but comforatable!!!! My older son is in the 150 Raptor also and he was with me all day. He wears a 11.5 shoe and is in a 28 shell. I wear a 10 and am in a 27.
the key is if you are going to go full plug is the bootfitter. We use Jim mates at Custom boot Service in Seattle. And cannot begin to tell you how good he is. my son and I both went for 1 fitting, jim did the work and we went skiing on them and have not been back! With that said he has been working on our boots for many years.