Originally Posted by joemammoth
cvj, all I can say is you are out of your mind. First off bump skiing is all about angulation, from the feet,the ankles and the knees. Bump competition are scored 50% on turns and line, air counts for only 25% of the score. We do not just ski the zipperline, we ski the whole mtn, making a variety of turns. Your post simply proves that you do not understand what you are looking at, not seeing the technical aspects of the turns being made. In most turns the fronts of the skis are being pressured to start the turn. You NEVER wait on the bump to make the turn for you. As a matter of fact your turn should be finished by the top off the bump, so if you waited on the bump you would be too late. If that is what you think goes on in WC skiing, as your post implies you are sadly mistaken.
cvj and I have watched a lot of WC competitors up close and personal and what cvj is saying is very true. I agree, joemammoth, the wc style turn is finished before the skier passes by the top of the bump and I think cvj is saying that as well. In wc style, skiers scrub speed via deflection of the skis, as the edges check into the uphill-half of the side of the mogul. They do not make contact on the downhill-half of the side of the mogul, or for that matter anywhere on the downhill face of the mogul.
You say the front of the skis are being pressured to start the turn. I also believe that, but you just don't put the ski on edge. Instead you pressure the mostly flat edge into the side of the mogul. WC style makes it necessary to wait to contact the side of the mogul to control speed. SVMM does not need to rely on that for speed control because it uses an energy-loaded (counter-flexed) ski with the skier achieving more side-to-side angulation and then carving a wider, higher-edge-angle turn resulting in more control than pointing them straight down the rut line with minimal edge angle.
In SVMM, the ski comes much more across the fall line at that higher edge angle and this enables you to load energy into the ski (again, counter-flex) and then rebound off it and stand up straighter as you begin to extend down into the next turn. When you release this energy, you float for just part of a second and it feels like moving in slow motion even though you are traveling fast. You can modulate your absorption and rebound at the end of the turn to a far greater degree than in the deflection method. As cvj said, it is a smoother turn and you can descend faster. This occurs because you can absorb against the counter-flexing ski without abruptness (ski acts like a spring). In wc style the ski is moving side-ways on a flat plane and that is where the abruptness of the impact comes from. Skis do not flex in that plane. Ka-boom!
You wc folks seem to want us to believe there is some magic in your skiing that we just can't understand or see, so we should just believe you. Until I see a wc style video on a steep mogul run, that can be identified, I shall remain a non-believer, as it relates to the wc style working all over the mountain. For that matter, I would like to see a video of wc style skiing in steep bowls or chutes and especially without powder to slow you down. There is an endless amount of film showing traditional method skiers all over the mountain, but I have yet to see any that demonstrates the wc style anywhere but in the rut line.
One more thing: Yes turns and line are given 50% of the score, but it all looks the same to the judges so the scores remain very close unless a skier makes a mistake while turning. They score on mistakes, not turning expertise. However, in watching the air portion, it is much easier for the judges to differentiate good from bad and - believe it or not - when a skier jumps well they will actually end up with higher scores for turns if they did not bobble. It is human nature, which applies when the judging is subjective.