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AC40 vs Mantra vs Bridge

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
I know the AC40 will tear down the groomers but im looking to see how it performed in the tight trees, bumps (hard and soft conditions) and any other condition thrown at it. Those who have skied them im wondering how they compare to the infamous Mantras or even the new Bridges Volkl came out with . I'm looking for a one ski quiver for west coast conditions, I prefer off-piste, tight trees, and of coarse soft snow if its around. Whats the best (Volkl) choice for my one and only ski? I may also be fortunate enough to pick up a cheap pair of gotamas so im trying to decide which ski would best complement the fatty goats to cover any conditions. Any thoughts?
post #2 of 27
How many places did you post this??

SJ
post #3 of 27
The AC40 likes speed and long turns so it's niot going to be the best for tight trees or running the zipper on bumps. But it will be better than a fat ski. I use it as my 1 ski quiver. I dont feel the need to be on 90+ cm under foot to ski powder so going with wider doesn't mater to me. I do have a lot of fun on the AC40 in soft powder bumps and its great in powder, chowder and crud. It's not a twin tip so if you need that you might want to go with the bridge or even the wall.

If you are going to get the gotamas then I would consider going for the Tiger Shark 12 instead of the AC40
post #4 of 27

What about the Gotama?

You may want to add the Gotama to the list of Volkls you're considering. It provides plenty of float, yet I've seen some people rip some great GS turns with them on the groomers. Also, be aware that the length of the model that you are considering will greatly effect the performance depending on where you are using it.
Best of luck.
post #5 of 27
I'd agree that length is a if not the key. I have 170 AC4s, and realize now that I should've bought 180 -- which is why I'm now in the market for an off-piste ski. FWIW, my AC4s were fine snowcat skiing at Grand Targhee, even when the trees were a bit tight. They're excellent on-piste -- I don't do bumps so will leave that for others to comment on. They're also OK in powder, but not near as good as the 180s I demo'd (too late).
I think AC40s could be a great one-quiver ski IF you get them in the right length for you. I'm 6'2" 185 (187cm 85kg) if that helps.
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
I'm glad you brought up the length issue. I'm 5'11"-170lbs and haven't decided what length to invest in. Like i said i'm normally skiing softer western snow but occasionally come across harder days. I need a ski that's nimble enough to enjoy in the bumps but has some float on the deeper days. I had first decided i would stay around the 177 or range but after further thought a longer length might be needed with a wider ski like the mantras/gotamas. (I've heard rumors of Volkls skiing short but im not exatcly sure on what is meant by that). Should i be more interested in the 184's if i go with the Mantras or is that to much ski to turn quickly? Should i go the other route with the Bridge or AC's is it safe to say the 177's is the right length?
post #7 of 27
Others can answer better than myself, but it's twin-tips (gotama/bridge) that ski short. mantra skis its length (or so is the impression i've got from reading here).
post #8 of 27
Yeah, I've seen this around before too. Look, these are radically different skis, different missions. Nothing is equally good at everything. You need to decide what you care most about.

AC40 will carve the hell out of the frontside, nice in soft bumps and tight spots, decent in chop if you like to plough it, not my cup of tea in powder. Bridge I haven't skied, said to be very nice smaller Goat. Goats are more a backside/pow ski that can handle groomed and even big bumps when called upon. Frankly, for a one and only western Volkl, I'd pick a Mantra. (But none of the above if I could just choose one ski of any brand).

Seriously, try to narrow down your mission.
post #9 of 27
AC40 doesnt come in a 180. its a 177 or 184. I'm 6' 190lbs and I ski the 177cm. I ski it in deep pow with no problems. Keep it in perspective, it wasn't that long ago that we all skied deep powder on skinny GS skis
post #10 of 27
Ac40 and the Gotamas would be a great 2 ski quiver if not skiing bumps!
post #11 of 27
I would suggest if you're a hardcore carver/newschooler in style go more for the AC40. For me I preferred the Mantra simply because it's a little more fun for me where the AC40 forces you to finish turns - it wants to be on edge all the time. AFAIK a lot of pow and western skiers really like the Gotama. As you suggested the Bridge is yet another ski in there - more of a twin tipper slightly less width. Volkl is really slicing up the market with so many skis of slightly different widths and purposes.
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
I'm beginning to rule out the Mantra being that 96 underfoot just seems like it will be to much to deal with on the hard days. That being said the bridge sounds like the ski i'm looking for. I couldn't help but notice the Prophet 90's were remarkably similair in dimensions to the bridge and reviewed well. I've haven't been able to find much comparing the p-90 to many all mountain skis or info in gerenal on the ski. So im looking for help comparing the bridge to the prophet? where do each thrive? any weaknesses?
post #13 of 27
Mantras make an excellent hard snow ski, imo- they're my ice skates. I have Sollie 912 ti race bindings with about 10mm of lift and they turn and carve like crazy on hardpack in spite of their width. Having said that, the Bridge is worth trying and I can't wait to try/hear about the Head Olson Pro.
post #14 of 27
1-ski quiver = Nordica Enforcer. (at least if I had to choose one ski, right now, to do everything, it would be that one.)
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
i have heard the mantra does suprisingly well on hard groomers but im still skeptical that the 96 underfoot could be much fun in the steep, icy bumps. I also found it hard to imagine a ski that wide being very maneuverable in tight areas.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by Skunkeee View Post
i have heard the mantra does suprisingly well on hard groomers but im still skeptical that the 96 underfoot could be much fun in the steep, icy bumps. I also found it hard to imagine a ski that wide being very maneuverable in tight areas.
someday you'll learn how well wider skis ski than you currently believe. Until then...
post #17 of 27
someone else said it, but it 'bears' repeating. decide what is important to you first, then get the ski that does that well. someone also said that 96 skis are very adept on ice and I totally agree, as the Mantra is a fairly stiff 96. I seriously doubt that steep, icy moguls are fun on any ski, at least not after skiing out west for decades. take your favorite day, your ultimate conditions, your best line and put on the best ski for that run. you can't beat that combination. go ski!
post #18 of 27
funny thing is on moguls I found skiing the Mantra much more enjoyable than AC40 as I could pivot and scrape off speed easier.

On ice I try and stay off the moguls (learning something as I age
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Skunkeee View Post
I know the AC40 will tear down the groomers but im looking to see how it performed in the tight trees, bumps (hard and soft conditions) and any other condition thrown at it. Those who have skied them im wondering how they compare to the infamous Mantras or even the new Bridges Volkl came out with . I'm looking for a one ski quiver for west coast conditions, I prefer off-piste, tight trees, and of coarse soft snow if its around. Whats the best (Volkl) choice for my one and only ski? I may also be fortunate enough to pick up a cheap pair of gotamas so im trying to decide which ski would best complement the fatty goats to cover any conditions. Any thoughts?
177cm bridge if your timid 185cm Bridge if you more aggressive. The ski will be behind on the AC40 on shorter turns on groomer but will be better at pretty much everything else.

As other have said the mantra is actually a pretty good hardpack ski and is alot more damp than the bridge, but I still would pick the bridge over the mantra.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
177cm bridge if your timid 185cm Bridge if you more aggressive. The ski will be behind on the AC40 on shorter turns on groomer but will be better at pretty much everything else.

As other have said the mantra is actually a pretty good hardpack ski and is alot more damp than the bridge, but I still would pick the bridge over the mantra.
Bushy:

You recommendation is spot on and mirrors the one that I made in one of the other places this Q was posted. I think however, that you are wrong on the damp thing. I know that you have said that you haven't skied the Bridge yet, but when you do....you will be blown away. This is not a Karma at all. It is at least as damp as the Mantra and possibly more so. In fact, this is (IMO) the most versatile ski that Volkl has ever built in this width range. (as long as the park is not a major agenda)

(I know that you hate to agree with me.........but you do.......)

SJ
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
  • Anyone skied the Prophets 90's? There remarkably close in dimesions to the bridges, wondering how they would compare?
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Bushy:

You recommendation is spot on and mirrors the one that I made in one of the other places this Q was posted. I think however, that you are wrong on the damp thing. I know that you have said that you haven't skied the Bridge yet, but when you do....you will be blown away. This is not a Karma at all. It is at least as damp as the Mantra and possibly more so. In fact, this is (IMO) the most versatile ski that Volkl has ever built in this width range. (as long as the park is not a major agenda)

(I know that you hate to agree with me.........but you do.......)

SJ
no i did ski the bridge in 177 last year(as you know all demo last year were that size), it could be i am comparing the my 184cm mantra to the 177 from last year so.

but beside that I do agree with you

also in this case not being so damp is not really a problem the bridge felt more playful because of this. Also was looking at the bridge in the local shop and they have enough twin for park but would never excel there.
post #23 of 27
Ooop's sorry, I seem to remember a post like in August or something where you said you hadn't skied it yet.

SJ
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Ooop's sorry, I seem to remember a post like in August or something where you said you hadn't skied it yet.

SJ
probably meant the 185
post #25 of 27
OK, I'll bite......

Between all the skis, my order of preference:

184 Mantra
177 Bridge
184 AC40
177 AC40

The Mantra is just a soft, fat GS race ski (could be stiffer if you ask me) that reminds me of me 213 Kastle SG's (Green Machines) that still does everything well. The 177 Bridge is an awesome ski, but was too short for me. Harkin Banks Jr. (now 5' 6" and 138 lbs.) is on a 177 Bridge this year. It was his choice last spring between a 170 Mantra, a 176 Gotama, and a 177 Bridge. He liked all of the skis, but came back with the biggest smile you've ever seen when he got done riding the Bridge.

The AC40's have their place, but are too turny for me. They are both great skis, but when skiing the crud, I want something that will plow through the crud when I push on the tip, and not turn around whatever is in front of me.

I don't consider any of these skis stiff. Explosivs are stiff.

HB
post #26 of 27

preference?

HB:

Where are your Katanas and/or Gotamas on the scale??????

MIA??
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks View Post
OK, I'll bite......

...I don't consider any of these skis stiff. Explosivs are stiff.

HB
Maroon Buddhas are my all time favorite, but I just bought some 190 Gotamas to "round out" the quiver. I chose the Gots becuase from what I could gather the general concensus was that Mantras are no replacement for the Sploder (apparently that title goes to 197cm LP's).

I know Gots are less of a comparison to the Explosive than the Mantra, but between you and Gotama where do Gots fit in your scale?

Edit: The Explosiv actually flexes like an old Super G. Two layers of fat steel give any ski a distinct feel, but I think it's the large sidecut (34.6m) that makes it feel like it skis 'stiffer' than it really is.
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