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post #1 of 28
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I'll start.
  • WAY too many people for the amount of acreage
  • Completely unreasonable traffic
  • Aesthetically unpleasing for the most part
  • No real winter. Still cold, dark, dreary and wet, but really no snow.
  • No ski areas to speak of
  • Pretty smelly
  • Home to 3 of the sh!ttiest cities I've ever personally seen (and I travel ALOT): Newark, Camden and Trenton.

I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface.... Please chime in!! This could be fun!

(please understand I have no problem with Jersey people)
post #2 of 28
just curious, why is EVERYONE moving out of Michigan????? More outbound relocations per capita than anywhere.
post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
just curious, why is EVERYONE moving out of Detroit?????
Fixed it for ya. Detroit = New Jersey
post #4 of 28
Alabama: Sisters Make Good Wives or At Least We're not Mississippi

Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't be Wrong!

Arizona: But It's a Dry Heat

Arkansas: Litterasy Ain't Everthing

California: As Seen on TV

Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother

Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only Dirtier and With Less Character

Delaware: We Really Do Like the Chemicals in our Water

Florida: Drugs-R-Us or Ask Us About Our Grandkids

Georgia: We Put the "Fun" in Fundamentalist Extremism

Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death to Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money)

Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes... Well Okay, We're Not.. But The Potatoes sure are real good

Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S"

Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free

Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn

Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States

Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names

Louisiana: We're Not All Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign

Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster

Maryland: A Thinking Man's Delaware

Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets)

Michigan: First Line of Defense From the Canadians

Minnesota: "10,000 Lakes and 10,000,000 Mosquitoes"

Mississippi: Come Feel Better About Your Own State

Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars at Work

Montana: Sheep Make Good Wives Too or Land of the Big Sky, the Unabomber, Right-Wing Crazies and Very Little Else

Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest

Nevada: Whores and Poker!

New Hampshire: Go Away and Leave Us Alone

New Jersey: Ya Wanna ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! Motto Right Here!

New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent Pets

New York: You Have the Right to Remain Silent, You Have the Right to an Attorney...

North Carolina: Tobacco is a Vegetable

North Dakota: We Really are One of the 50 States!

Ohio: We Wish We Were In Michigan

Oklahoma: Like the Play, only No Singing

Oregon: Spotted Owl... It's What's For Dinner

Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal

Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island

South Carolina: Remember the Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender

South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota

Tennessee: The Educashun State

Texas: YEE HAWWWWW! or Si Hablo Ing les (Yes, I speak English)

Utah: Olympics and Scandal or Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus

Vermont: Yep

Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs and Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix?

Washington: Help! We're overrun by nerds and slackards

Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor?

West Virginia: One Big Happy Family-Really!

Wisconsin: Eat Cheese or Die or Come Cut Our Cheese

Wyoming: Wynot?
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Fixed it for ya. Detroit = New Jersey

Actually, no, the major outbound areas were Ann Arbor, kalamazoo and surrounding. The tech and Pharma companies are leaving in droves. Just ask Pfizer. Several large groups left this summer. Some neighborhood have many homes for sale on each street. Cap loss on homes was incredible.
post #6 of 28
No, no, no. Colorado sucks. New Jersey just stinks.
post #7 of 28
[quote=learn2turn;794647]
Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only Dirtier and With Less Character

Actually not any dirtier, but a lot less character.

Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster

Yup, they are. No, they don't.

Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets)

Our gas is way cheaper than Connecticut's, no kidding.
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Actually, no, the major outbound areas were Ann Arbor, kalamazoo and surrounding. The tech and Pharma companies are leaving in droves. Just ask Pfizer. Several large groups left this summer. Some neighborhood have many homes for sale on each street. Cap loss on homes was incredible.
For one thing, Ann Arbor is only like 20 miles from Detroit, but if you want to consider that an entirely different area, ok. Kalamazoo is basically Indiana. You are right, Southern lower Michigan has issues. I've been there a few times. I wouldn't live there either. Although if I had to choose to choose between southern Michigan and New Jersey, I'd take southern Michigan....it's closer to northern Michigan.

People aren't "leaving in droves" from where I live... ALL of these pictures were taken within 10 minutes of my house. My commute to work in the morning is 8 minutes.


















We're getting off topic now.... Let's stick to why NJ sucks, not why Michigan is great.
post #9 of 28
this looks like where I live! The snow covered road looks exactly like the gorge in the winter where we snow shoe. Very nice. I wouldn't move here either, it's extremely expensive, average home in the area is about 500K and property taxes are about 10K. That's the killer.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
I wouldn't move here either, it's extremely expensive, average home in the area is about 500K and property taxes are about 10K. That's the killer.
OOOHHH!: That IS brutal.

That's another advantage of the U.P.... My home was a new construction ranch, 2600 square feet, 3 bedrooms, 3 baths (actually, there is a 4th bedroom that doesn't "count" because it doesn't have a closet) Attached, finished, 2 car gargage and a full basement 3/4 of which is finished. My house is on a private road, on a cul-de-sac and we own 2 acres.

$179,000.

I always wonder why more people don't live here. I think harsh winters scare alot of people off.
post #11 of 28
I'm a North Jersey boy at heart-though I haven't lived there in 9 years, it's where I grew up, where my family lives, etc.

Obviously if we're rating it as a ski state or an state for die-hard outdoor enthusiasts it falls way short of the mark.

But...

Jersey as a whole is pretty darn vibrant. Really-Northern jersey is full of the most ambitious people (from all over the planet btw) I've ever met. Yeah, it costs a ton to live there-but I'm amazed at the strategies folks pull together to make it there (and make it well). And yes the pace of vibrancy all to often turns to just being plain hectic, but still, once you grow accustomed to the cultural vibe of NJ-you learn how to move at a whole new dynamic speed. Honestly, the folks who now populate Northern Jersey are collectively some of the most clever, ambitious, and hard-working folks in the USA. And it's infectious, trust me, a Northern Jersey high School is no place for a dunce or a layabout.

However, I'm an economic migrant from Jersey who wanted more space, better biking, and a slower pace and was too lazy to do the work required to live well in my home state.

Say what you want-there are reasons to be there and reasons people pay that kind of money (making real sacrifices) to pull it off. In fact, it's a testament to them so many can pull it off.

Man, ranking on Jersey in a ski forum-what's the point?
post #12 of 28
New Jersey or Michigan? Well, one's got an ocean, hills, good pizza, bagels and access to a great city. The other one one is in the middle of nowhere.
post #13 of 28
we're 1.5 hours to NYC and Phili, Personally, I don't go to either....

Liam, no offense but Northern NJ in general, (excluding Sussex county) is way too overcrowded and over built. Yuck! Good restaurants but just too much like the city.

UP, yup, 179K won't buy you a one bedroom condo here. Seriously. If you are in the Pharma industry or high finance, this is the place to live. We have a lot of Wall Street and Jersey city (yes, NJ) folks who take the train into Manhattan from here. It's a 2 hr trip each way. trumps golf club is about 10 miles away and the US Equestrian headquarters are close as well. Pfizer, J&J, Merck, UpJohn, Imclone and many others have HQ's or major facilites. AT&T, Verizon and many others are within 25 miles. Still very rural though, we actually blocked both home depot and Lowes from coming into our town!
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
trumps golf club is about 10 miles away and the US Equestrian headquarters are close as well.
Damn. That's what I forgot.... I'm right by (but not on) a golf course. If I was a really big hitter, I could hit the #13 green from my front yard. It would be about a 450 yard drive, though....
When the leaves fall off the trees, I can see the fairway from my porch.

(It definitely isn't Trumps course, though!)

Obviously I posted this in the humor section for a reason. I was just playing on the other Jersey thread. One thing I've found from travelling the U.S. as much as I have is that there are nice places to live everywhere. It all depends on what you are into.
post #15 of 28
Um, I'm still trying to figure out why we have two threads about Jersey/now michigan too!

WE NEED SNOW!!!!!

Now laugh dammit!
This is the humour section!
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
New Jersey or Michigan? Well, one's got an ocean, hills, good pizza, bagels and access to a great city. The other one one is in the middle of nowhere.
Just guessing.... You haven't been to Michigan, right? Have you seen the Great Lakes in person?

(or if you have been here, you were south of Houghton Lake)
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
This is the humour section!
What? Are you Canadian or something?
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
What? Are you Canadian or something?
You know, that I know what you're talking 'boot!
post #19 of 28
Joisey shouldn't be judged on one area anymore than Michigan should be judged on the part below US 10! Ugh, Shoot me if I have to move down there!
No offense to Altaskier, Bumpfreaq and the rest of the Bears who do live down there!
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Just guessing.... You haven't been to Michigan, right? Have you seen the Great Lakes in person?

(or if you have been here, you were south of Houghton Lake)
Been to Michigan. Swam in every one of the Great Lakes. Been to the UP. Would never live there.
post #21 of 28
Screw it. NJ is one of the worst places to be. Finndog lives in one of those rare pockets and I almost bougth a house not far from him (Right by the Rt. 31 Bridge where it crosses the Musky), but I didn't because I found out the far bank of my riverfront hideway was soon to become a mass development.

Where I live just to the south used to be rural and now it's all big$ homes and my taxes are close to the 12K mark.

The state can herald all of the "new jobs and businesses" that are opening up but the fact is that if you count the fact that we are opening an new Dunkin Donuts every 200' along each highway and that is your definition of a business ... you are beyond help.

A Home Depot will open and bring jobs .... yeah right ... the guy who worked at the GM or Ford plant that closed will now take an $8 an hour job.

People are leaving NJ in droves .... and this is a cause for concern ... that even made the Star Ledger and has the government sweating big time.

The rural areas are fewer and fewer and the farms .... the farms ... are a major joke and scandal at the same time. Most of the farms are for the "Hunter over Fences" crowd, or they raise hay for the horse set. Many of the farms are raise arcane miniature goats, alpacas, llamas, and other stupid animals that have about as much market value as your pet poodle.
All you have to do to be a "Farmer" in NJ is have 5+ acres and put out $500 worth of "product" ........ translation ... welfare for the wealthy ... they declare the estate a farm and pay less in taxes than I do.

I could go on for hours and get down and dirty ... I may retire out of state soon alone. I have had it with this rat trap.

With the taxes alone ... I have to move .... my property tax bill alone will chew up over 30% of my check .... not to mention the 7% sales tax. Great ... almost 40% of my retirement check goes away in taxes. I'm outta here.
post #22 of 28
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I'm outta here.
Baby, were you born to run?
post #23 of 28
Not born to, forced to. I looked at my retirement and I'll have to take a second job.

Some people suggest that I start a consulting company. No way ... I can't do honest work and compete with the sharks and whores.

I simply can't afford a $12K tax bill, eat and heat the home. A few of my friends who have retired (from the same place) are now up in VT ... they couldn't afford it here.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Not born to, forced to. I looked at my retirement and I'll have to take a second job.

Some people suggest that I start a consulting company. No way ... I can't do honest work and compete with the sharks and whores.

I simply can't afford a $12K tax bill, eat and heat the home. A few of my friends who have retired (from the same place) are now up in VT ... they couldn't afford it here.
everything he posted above is true, my wife and I look forward to going out to CO to live. ITs very expensive here and I have the same issues in my business, it seems the scumbags are winning every account as they lie through thier teeth and the greedy purchasing morons buy into it hook, line and sinker. I won't lie or cheat so I am happy with my business for now, when it goes, it goes.
post #25 of 28
I just realized I'm from New Jersey and my father's from Michigan. I ran.
post #26 of 28
When I was a kid in the Bronx we were taught not to cross the street if we saw a car driving with New jersey tags. Somehow those folks seemed not to understand how to drive when they reached NYC. Now that I am an adult and I occasionally drive throught the "garden" state, I finally understand that you don't get a New jersey driver's license until you fail the road test twice, and civil engineers are not allowed to design interchanges and intersections in New Jersey until they have a BAC of at least 0.14.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
New Jersey or Michigan? Well, one's got an ocean, hills, good pizza, bagels and access to a great city. The other one one is in the middle of nowhere.
The pizza thing.... I moved permanently from NJ to MA almost 30 years ago. I gotta say that the worst dive on any boardwalk on the Jersey shore has got better pizza than about 95% of the pizza place in MA. Now, you can get good pizza in MA, as good as NJ, but you have to look around for it. Your typical home-town pizza place in most towns anywhere in New England, just sucks!!! They don't know how to make a round pizza and slide it directly into the oven on the stone. They make it in the gosh aweful pans that don't let the moisture out so the crust comes out like a soggy soda cracker.

Disclaimer, I never been to MI so don't know if their pizza sucks too.
post #28 of 28
Ahh, the Jersey Shore pizza thing! Yes, its so true, but once you leave and travel to other side of the parkway, the pizza longer is considered "Boardwalk" pizza. It is really the best.

hey At least in MA they dont' make that utterly-disgusting-globby- deep-dish-doughy-mess thing.
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