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post #31 of 95
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Originally Posted by medmarkco View Post
Some times w/o, but mostly with a black knee-high. Only because if you take a boot off without socks, good luck getting it back on. WD works, but then the footbed is "slippy"

Yes, they're funky. Fuinky with socks too. When feet "perspire" and you have on wicking socks, where does the moisture go? Yup - capillary action pulls the moisture from wet to dry ... it moves to your liner until the sock and the liner are equally moist, then you have "balance". Pretty much the same with cotton too, except the cotton will saturate more next to your skin. The wicking basically stops when the moisture wicks through the liner and hits the cold plastic shell and condenses. ... it's there, hanging around between you liner bottom and the bootboard. Pull the boot board and it'll be under there too.

If you sit on a dry chair with a damp bathing suit, does the chair get wet? Same with boot liners. Of course, the old vinyl Lange Flo liners never 'sorbed nuthin'. Like a terrarium in there!: Thank god those aren't around anymore.

Can't we find something more pleasant to talk about?
While you are correct, you will still have less transfer to the liner due to the absorption from the sock. You can also change the sock to a dry one in the middle of the day to help reduce the moisture inside. A good point was also made about dead skin, and how fungus as well as many microorganisms can live easily off of it, and how a sock prevents, or at least limits, their transfer.
post #32 of 95
I wear ankle high biking socks in my ski boots and hockey skates. I also use a . . . . sports lube. I lather up my feet and then put my socks on. This makes it the best of both worlds for me, I can slid my feet in without issue - the sweat stays in the sock - and I have a really nice tight boot/skate without any rubbing.

I also slather other parts with the "sports lube" and live like a king. That's right, I said sports lube
post #33 of 95
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I have skied in my wifes knee high stockings
Phil!
post #34 of 95
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
I've skied without socks many times. I can't say I've noticed anything other than less comfortable and ickier feet.



Score a fall to the G-man!
post #35 of 95
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I have skied in my wifes knee high stockings.
Did they make you feel pretty?
post #36 of 95
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Did they make you feel pretty?
Oh so pretty?
post #37 of 95
I remember a coworker back in the early 1980s that wore those Hansen boots -- the ones with the neoprene liners. He skied without socks.
post #38 of 95
silk socks rock.

that is all.
post #39 of 95
On a semi serious note...

I would be very very careful about any athletic endeavors that do not take skin hygiene seriously. My wife is an athletic director and staff infections via "superbugs" (highly antibiotic resistant) are a very serious concerns for athletic departments across the country. Nasty. Lets face it, ski resort floors are kinda icky.

Why risk it? Tons of appropriate "thin" options out there. Myself - I prefer a nice soft merino sock, "smartwool" or similar. Thin, warm, not disgusting.
post #40 of 95
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
I once knew a guy who skied without footbeds in his boot. I dunno about socks.
Back when I raced when I was younger I skiied with no socks and no footbeds. My boots rotted within a year, every year.
post #41 of 95
Think some might get a rash from it. Just get some very thin socks instead.. X-socks or something like that
post #42 of 95
that's 'staph' infections I hope, or do they not care about the kids?
post #43 of 95
WD-40 as skin lube?! You guys are nuts....and you think I'm out of my gourd for using a full face helmet.

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post #44 of 95
Back in the day, I think it was Tomba that used to put his boots in the snow so they got really cold and shrunk up some and then go sockless.

But I'd have to agree with others out here...I wear a good very thin pair of socks. No padding. Eventually, when my boot liners get packed out i'm sure I'll move to a medium or heavier weight sock...But so far...so good after I think 3 or 4 seasons now.
post #45 of 95
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
WD-40 as skin lube?! You guys are nuts....

Yeah, it really burns my cookies as well when people use a penetrating oil instead of lubricating oils like Tri-flow
post #46 of 95
"None of the components of this product is listed as a carcinogen or suspected carcinogen or is considered a reproductive hazard."

That sort of surprised me. I know when I spray PB Blaster on things I'm always trying to remember not to get it on me. I don't think I even own a can of WD40, and I have a lot of liquid tools. I like the "sports lube" mentioned earlier...but really I just like wearing my comfy and see-through thin merino wool socks.
post #47 of 95
I have not only given up socks but boots as well. I just wedge my toes in under the binders and let her rip.
post #48 of 95
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan View Post
I have not only given up socks but boots as well. I just wedge my toes in under the binders and let her rip.
That, folks, is bad ass. :
post #49 of 95
I wear ultra-thin "race" socks, with padded shins. I think they were made by Smartwool, I can't find the same ones anymore.
post #50 of 95
I generally leave my boots in the locker room...unfortunately they do not dry....they are not wet, but not dry. I have skied 2 times without socks...not because I wanted to but because I did not have a pair with me...I generally do not wear socks when not at my real job.

I cant get my darn feet in the boots...it takes 10 minutes or more..they are too sticky. Once in....I feel TOO much room. I dont like it at all. I wear nylon type business work socks (I go to the hill right after work) the boots are tight.. Amazing how a thin material all the way around your foot makes a difference.
post #51 of 95
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Originally Posted by Bearbutt View Post
I grew up playing hockey at a fairly serious level. At the height of my arc I always skated sans socks in heat molded boots for performance reasons. It never happened to me, but there were a number of people I knew who developed a very serious foot fungus which their doctors attributed to the lack of socks. I don't know if this would occur in a ski boot liner as there is a lot more absorbtion ( sp ) characteristic in a ski boot liner. Anyway, that's my two cents.:
Those fungal folks never let their skates dry out. Likely left them in their equipment bag in the basement or trunk of the car.
post #52 of 95
Knee highs or an insanely thin ski sock. I usally keep a couple new knee highs in my pack. Once or twice a year i'll be with a visitor who is complaining about his/her feet being cold. I tell them I will impart the secret to keeping their feet warm if they agree to do everything, and I do mean everything I say. Once they agree I tell them to:

1. Bring their boots inside at night (amazing how many people I run into leave them outside in the car)
2. Unbuckle their boots before the get on the lift
3. Replace their socks with knee highs. They usually don't think i'm serious. I had one guy whip off his boot and pull off two pairs of cotton tube socks with a thin wool sock over them. I have no idea how he managed to fit his feet in the boots - they probably were sized incorrectly to begin with.

Never had anyone say this didn't fix their problem.
post #53 of 95
I ride (okay, snowboard) without socks. Probably 90 % of the time, in fact, and I have had absolutely no problem with fungus or anything like that. It's one less thing to worry about, and I reserve wearing socks for the bitterly cold days.

My boots are smelly, even after attempting to dry my boots out between days out on the hill. That's the only problem, really. " Nothing like the smell of boots in the morning."
post #54 of 95
Oh, I'd add that the difference between going barefoot and wearing even very thin socks is a big one. I feel that going barefoot in my boots just feels better, a bit like how many hockey players, speed skaters, and rock climbers don't wear socks.

But just to spice things up, this is what my insoles looked like after a season:



gross, eh?
post #55 of 95
The few times i've skied without socks my feet come out smelling like death. I've actually had my buddies say it's the worst foot odor they've smelled. But I have found that I feel the skis a little better barefoot.
post #56 of 95
it's hard to pull sweaty feet out of a boot without socks.
post #57 of 95
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Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
I wear ultra-thin "race" socks, with padded shins. I think they were made by Smartwool, I can't find the same ones anymore.
I just picked up twelve pair of what you're looking for at STP. $3.99/pair, original MSRP $18.99. Item #11767-09. Item is listed as SmartWool Racer. Available in Blue/Black, and Red/Black.

As Cole Porter said, "You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too many pairs of high quality ski socks!".

I agree with him about the wealth, and the socks.:
post #58 of 95
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Originally Posted by Bearbutt View Post
I just picked up twelve pair of what you're looking for at STP. $3.99/pair, original MSRP $18.99. Item #11767-09. Item is listed as SmartWool Racer. Available in Blue/Black, and Red/Black.

As Cole Porter said, "You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too many pairs of high quality ski socks!".:
Thanks for the tip! Out of stock though (12 pair!?) These look nice, but IIRC, the ones I have are the "light" version. It looks like REI has some for $12.99
post #59 of 95
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Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
(12 pair!?)
Yeah, like I said, I'm a sucker for SmartWool ski socks, plus a bunch are going to cover my winter gift needs. I figure I'll look like a real champ 'cause they'll never guess that I only spent $3.99 on them.

BTW, what's IIRC?
post #60 of 95
Sorry, I usually try to avoid internet acronyms for this very reason.

If I remember correctly.
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