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Gotama, Mantra, Made'n AK

post #1 of 27
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Cruising ski shops yesterday I found available, all at the same $470 price:

Gotama, 190, last year
Gotama, 183, last year
Mantra, 184, last year
Made'n AK, 190?, ??? (black with goblin line art)

Actually, lots of other possibly good deals, but these are the ones that interest me. Any thoughts from the Bears?
post #2 of 27
I'd love to know where you found last years Gotama. @ $470, I'd buy that right now.
post #3 of 27
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Well, I've spent a lot of time for a lot of years in Jimbocho, Tokyo's ski central district. Not as many small shops as years ago, but still some back-street places that have good deals.
Might be a bit far for you to travel, though.
post #4 of 27
189 Maden AND 190 Goat.
post #5 of 27
Here's a thought, for optimal results from your query, try posting this in the ski gear discussion forum, and tell people your size, skiing ability, what type of terrain you want to use them for, and what type of flex pattern you prefer.

You could even PM a "Patroller" (moderator), and have this moved to the ski gear forum.
post #6 of 27
Thanks VA, Moved it!
post #7 of 27
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Thanks VA, Moved it!
Good God woman! Do you ever sleep? :
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
Sorry; thought I had started it in the Ski Gear forum.

PhilT, ah if only I didn't have a wife & a mortgage...

VA, wasn't really after specific buying advice (on this, anyway), just whether Bears thought any of these were especially good or bad deals.
I plan to demo several skis -- including both sizes of Goats & the Mantras, along w/whatever else I can find in the 90-110 class -- before deciding. Not sure if I'll be able to demo Made'n AKs, however; they seem to be a little rare in these parts.
post #9 of 27
FWIW, not sure if you're xenophobic when it comes to buying skis but of the ones listed Goats and AK's are made in China, Mantras in Germany.

i think VA was asking what your size and weight and ability were to aid in whether or not the sizes listed were "right" for you. For example, if you're 4'2" the 184 Mantra might be a bit much. Likewise if you're 7'9" it might not be enough, etc.

post #10 of 27
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Not sure if I'll be able to demo Made'n AKs, however; they seem to be a little rare in these parts.
They are rare everywhere. A very popular ski that was discontinued for this season. Big cult following, will ski the "longest" of any of the skis listed. Never skied on the goats but I really enjoyed the Madens
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
Perhaps I should've mentioned that a whole bunch of Bears have already provided great and much appreciated advice/suggestions on sizing a while back when I gave particulars and asked about that in a separate thread, so I basically know what sizes to look at (that's why I didn't bother noting there was also a pair of 170 Goats available).
Because it seems to be the same group of folks who consistently offer good advice here, I've probably fallen into the trap of thinking everyone already knows all about me.
post #12 of 27
IMHO: the 190 Gotama and 184 Mantra would make an excellent quiver.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
PhilT,
Searching doesn't bring up a lot of comment on the Made'n.
I've read (too often for it not to be true) the Gotama is great in powder & crud, and steady enough on-piste when you've just got to be there.
What's your impression of the Made'n? Skiable on the hardpack? I avoid bumps like the plague, so don't care if it would be a good ski or not for that. Thanks for any impressions you can provide.
post #14 of 27
Yes stable enough on piste and judging from the scientific hand flex process, more so than the gotama.
post #15 of 27
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StormDay, I so agree. Unfortunately, economics limits me to one ski purchase -- at least for this season -- and I'm looking for a powder/crud ski to complement my AC4s (which I stupidly bought in 170; anyone out there want to trade for 177s?).
post #16 of 27
For a versatile solid feeling ski I'd go with the Mantra which I own.

The Goat seems to be the popular choice among big mountain skiers, a little fatter, bigger radius.
post #17 of 27
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PhilT,
Damn! And I'd pretty much decided on the Goats. Now you're making me think again. Still, I really don't want to buy without trying first. What to do? What to do?
post #18 of 27
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PhilT,
Damn! And I'd pretty much decided on the Goats. Now you're making me think again. Still, I really don't want to buy without trying first. What to do? What to do?
The Gotama's have a large twin which makes them ski considerably shorter than they measure. The k2's also have a twin (although smaller) but that is irrelevant since k2 doesn't measure the twin part of the ski.

What is your height/weight
post #19 of 27
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ct55, thanks for that. I think if I was going to have just one ski it would be the Mantra, but with the AC4s already in-hand it seems to make sense to go ahead with a more off-piste model. (Though I've still got the For Sale sign on the AC4s, and if they go I think the Mantra will be it.)
post #20 of 27
good point. The AC4s are def more of a carver. But the Mantra's probably closer to it as far as solid feel. I just like the fact I can kick the tails on the Mantra when needed When I try that with AC4s it kicks me into the next turn ....
post #21 of 27
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For the record, I'm 6'2" 185 (187cm, 85kg) a reasonably aggressive level 7-8 60-year-old coach potato who prefers powder but winds up with crud more often than not, skis trees as long as they're not too tight, spends at least a week every season in the Rockies -- usually Alta/Snowbird or Jackson Hole -- heads up to Niseko anytime he has four days, various areas in Nagano for two or three-day trips and isn't adverse to the occasional day trip to Niigata. Have skied mainly on Volkls for the past two decades, except one season on a pair of 200cm K@ 5500s back around 1994-5. Most recently spent four seasons on 170 Motion Carvers, past 1.5 seasons on the 170 AC4s (which I realized should've been longer after I demo'd the 184 AC4s at Alta last February).
post #22 of 27
Jeezzz... no offence ment but, you've skiing at least 20 years, at minimum a low advanced skier... I would think you would be the best judge the the best ski for you. If you can't demo, just go with what you feel is best.
post #23 of 27
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Altaman, none taken. And I actually had 87.5% of a decision made before I ever started asking around here and in a couple of other threads, and have changed only one tiny detail based on the wealth of advice I've gotten. But there's a helluva lot of knowledge & experience in these forums, and I figure it ain't gonna hurt at all to tap some of it. So far, it's pretty much confirmed my own ideas, but until I can actually take runs on some of these skis I'm open to more suggestions.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
StormDay, I so agree. Unfortunately, economics limits me to one ski purchase -- at least for this season -- and I'm looking for a powder/crud ski to complement my AC4s (which I stupidly bought in 170; anyone out there want to trade for 177s?).
190 Gotama. Bigger difference from the 170 AC4. Plus, sounds like you like volkls.

Also, i'm sure the 183 Gotama would be great quiver mate w/ the 170 AC4. The 183 would be a little nicer in the trees and probably float you enough at your weight.

That gives you the AC4 for hard snow groomers days and the Gotama (190 or 183) for everything else.
post #25 of 27
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190 Gotama. Bigger difference from the 170 AC4. Plus, sounds like you like volkls.

Also, i'm sure the 183 Gotama would be great quiver mate w/ the 170 AC4. The 183 would be a little nicer in the trees and probably float you enough at your weight.

That gives you the AC4 for hard snow groomers days and the Gotama (190 or 183) for everything else.
The Maden would provide more float and will be a better crud buster. Why do you think the gotama is a better fit for him.
post #26 of 27
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The Maden would provide more float and will be a better crud buster. Why do you think the gotama is a better fit for him.
b/c he seems to like Volkl.

I have found in my quiver that I'm happiest when all my skis like to be skied the same. (in my case, with an aggressive forward lean). In a season w/ 168 6*, 184 Mantras and 193 Sanouks as my 3 main skis, I found that a really didn't need to alter how a skied the skis when I changed skis. It has been my experience that skis within a brand tend to favor a particular style of skiing. Therefore if you need to buy without demoing and you like Rossi, stay w/ Rossi. It will be more likely that you will be happy with the ski.

So if he had been skiing K2 for the last 20 years, I would recommend going with the Made'n AK.


Note: In a season w/ Solly Xscream, Bandit XXX and Solly AK Rockets, I did need to alter how I skied the skis when switching between the Sollies and the Rossi's.

Just my experience/opinion. YMMV.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
PhilT & StormDay:

Guys, why quit when it was just getting interesting :.

Seriously, mucho arigato to both of you, and to everyone else who replied. It's all data and all taken in. I will probably have the chance to demo at least the Mantra & Gotama in mid-Dec., and possibly the Made'n as well.
There's a lot to what StormDay said about skis from one maker having a consistent feel -- which is why I have pretty much stayed with Volkl all these years. But PhilT, I like the points you make about the Made'n, and I'm hoping there will be a chance to try it out.
Anyway, if & when I lay down the plastic, I'll post here in the ego-driven assumption that you're all interested in how it comes out in the end.

Thanks again
jim
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