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Which Volkls? Advise please!

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hi!

Background. Type2 skier but have not skied in about 7yrs. I am 30yrs old, 6'1", 180lbs(will be dropping to 165-170lbs). I will be skiing 3-5days a week in Colorado this year. After I get the skis back under me I will probbably ski 40/60 or 30/70(groom to powder). Some bumps but wont be seeking them out. I can get a deal on 08 volkls but I am not sure what I should get. I have to order tomorrow and will not be able to demo any of these. I can get Tigersharks(10or12 ps), AC30, AC40, Katana, Gotama, Mantra, or the Bridge. I'm sure I would be happy with any of these but I am tryin to figure out what will best suit my needs.

I'm not sure if I should go with 1 pair of skis or two.. I had been thinking of just getting the AC30/40 until I found this deal but now 2 pairs are not totally out of the question. I've heard good things about the AC40 as a do all ski or should I be thinking more along the lines of the AC30 and a Gotama or something like that? Or maybe the mantra or bridge as a do all ski. I just dont know what to get...

Also.. Length? 177s if I go AC30/40? 184ish if I go fatter?

Any advise would be greatly appriciated!
Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 27
If you're stuck on Volkl and can get 2 pairs I'd suggest 170 or 177 AC30 depending on your short/long turning prefrence for groomer and light crud days and the Gotama in a 190 for the deep stuff. You'll probably struggle with the Gotama's at first but with the year you're planning you'll be glad you got them as you progress through the year.
post #3 of 27
If you're only getting 1 pair, the obvious answer would be Mantra IMHO - The performance on groomers is unreal for such a wide ski. In other words; A true all-mountain ski.

If you're getting two pairs, I would agree with Eric S, although you might go with Tigershark 10 instead of the AC30. Come to think of it, you could also get the Katana instead of the Gotama... Tough choice.
post #4 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the quick responses!

Main reason I am stuck on Volkl is b/c its a BIIIIG discount! Cant pass it up.

Now would the mantra be better than the AC40 for an all around ski? If I decided to go with only the Mantra for now, what length would you suggest? 177s , 184s?

190 Gotama's wouldnt be too long for me as a powder ski? That sounds like alot of ski.

Again, I appriciate any advice you can give!

Thanks!
post #5 of 27
The only thing that's throwing me is the following:

"Type2 skier but have not skied in about 7yrs. I am 30yrs old, 6'1", 180lbs(will be dropping to 165-170lbs). I will be skiing 3-5days a week in Colorado this year. After I get the skis back under me I will probbably ski 40/60 or 30/70(groom to powder). Some bumps but wont be seeking them out. I can get a deal on 08 volkls but I am not sure what I should get."

Since you say you haven't skied in over 7 years, that means you really haven't ridden any shaped skis, right?

Then you say "Type 2" skier, which means Intermediate, correct? Finally you're talking about primarily being on groomers with the occasional foray into off-piste.

If that's the case I wouldn't recommend the Mantra. But then I'm not really one to chime in on that.

I would suggest PMing SierraJim...he can give you some suggestions on Volkls, especially ones that are more designed for on-piste performance but will work well for your occassional foray into the untracked. If you're going to be predominantly getting your ski legs back and riding groomers there really isn't a need to have a ski that's meant for off-piste. And you also don't want to get too much ski if you're just working your way back into the sport (I lent my Mantras to an advanced beginner/lower intermediate last season and they ended up being a bit too much for him. I would have classified him as a Type 2 skier, too).

Again, I'd talk to SierraJim!
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
Finally you're talking about primarily being on groomers with the occasional foray into off-piste.
If that's the case, then I misread your post. I read it as 30% groomers, 70% pow. If I got it wrong I would probably agree with dookey.

Lengthwise, I would say Mantra: 184, Gotama: 190, Tigershark/ACx0: Dunno.

Getting SierraJim to chime in is also a good idea btw.

FWIW: I'm 6'2", about 165 and I own Mantras in 184 and Gotamas in 190. I have never tried AC30/40 or Tigersharsk, but I have a pair of Supersport Allstars in 175, which might be comparable to the Tigershark 10s.
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone.. I'm definitely planning on being in powder/piste more than on groomers but I do like a good smooth run sometimes. I'll prob start out on groomers(with the occasional trip into powder) then change over to the exact opposite. Might be a week to a month or more... Just depends on how quick I get back into it and how much I ski starting out. After that I'll be skiing 3-5days a week more off than on.

The last time I vacationed at vail, I used shaped skis and absolutly loved them! I think that was spring 2001, give or take a year. That was the last time I skied becuase I told myself I would never ski the east coast(well, southern east coast) again. Back in CO now! Before the last trip to vail, it was 205 straight skis with crappy rental boots! 10-15days a year.

Yep. type2 intermediate. Back when I was skiing alot I would ski just about anything on the east coast with little difficulty, but lacking form I am sure.

Again, I appriciate all of the advice!
post #8 of 27
Kurt Cobain, man (that would be "all apologies" for the alt rock challenged) as i tend to suffer from numerical dyslexia.

"40/60 or 30/70(groom to powder)" i got the ratios of groom to powder reversed.



Still my only really legitimate advice stands: contact SierraJim and pick his brain about Volkl options for the Type2 skier returning to the sport after a 7 year absense. if you're not going to be hiking for turns or searching for the hidden stashes then that will affect what type of powder plank you really need.

of course what you need and want are often in direct contrast to one another and you really can't have too many skis!
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Dookey- No worries! The person that you lent your mantras to.. In what areas did they have problems when using that ski?
post #10 of 27
While on the subject of "too much ski": I think AC40 is an even burlier ski than the Mantra. Narrower, but stiffer.
post #11 of 27
buy the Mantra, it is a great ski. as for size 184 for sure
post #12 of 27
Take a step back and decide on whether you are going to get one or two. From this batch of candidates, you need to know that before deciding.

For two...................

The AC-40 and the other Volkls in this width range are great wide carvers. They are not all the same, but despite width diffences and other minutiae, I think of them as one group. All are fairly stiff and none excell in deepish snow. All require a skier to bring some game. If you are going to have two, one of this group is a sensible choice as one of them.

The Gotama is the best of the others for deeper snow and is not a difficult ski to master. I'm 5-10 188# and ski this in 183. I think 183 is plenty but YMMV. This is the hands down winner as the second ski.

For one.....................

The Bridge is softer tosionally and is more forgiving than the Mantra. The bridge is easier in soft snow, more nimble in bumps, and it grips well enough for most western hardpack. I call the Bridge a "mini Gotama" The Mantra is stiffer, heavier, and generally grippier. The Mantra might blast crud a touch better if you like to ski fast in the off trail. I own a Mantra in 184 but if I had to choose one of the two as my only one ski for the west, I'd choose the Bridge over the Mantra everytime and twice on Sunday. In the off trail....I want an easier ski.

SJ
post #13 of 27
"Dookey- No worries! The person that you lent your mantras to.. In what areas did they have problems when using that ski?"

The guy i lent my Mantras to was basically an advanced beginner/intermediate. We drug him off-piste against his will and while he made it down the hill he gracefully bowed out of any more off-piste action. He rode my Mantras about 3 days and at first "loved" them, but then began to find them a bit tough to manage and a little too much for his skill level. I think he "loved" them on the off-piste excursion but wasn't fond of them on the groomers where he eventually decided that he belonged.

I loved 'em off-piste and found that they took a bit getting used to on the groomers. While I have personally never been on the Goats, I have heard tell that they are a little more forgiving than the Mantras.

SJ is a pretty good barometer as he's pretty much skied the whole line to the best of my knowledge (the perks of running a shop).

post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the 184 Mantras. I was going to go with the bridge but someone else already had dibs.

Now I just need bindings... Any ideas?

Again, thanks for all the help!
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Magnum420 View Post
Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the 184 Mantras. I was going to go with the bridge but someone else already had dibs.

Now I just need bindings... Any ideas?

Again, thanks for all the help!
http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...e-Binding.html

Just bought a pair a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic deal!

Go to REI or elsewhere and pick up a pair of wide brakes and you're set.

You can also check out Sierra Jim's shop as they have some good deals as well.

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post
http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...e-Binding.html

Just bought a pair a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic deal!
Agreed!
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by Magnum420 View Post
Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the 184 Mantras. I was going to go with the bridge but someone else already had dibs.
i am sorry to have to be the one to say this but you are way over your head with that ski. It is not an intermediate ski and you are just coming back. No way, this is a terrible choice for what you have described.

Even the Bridge would be a lot of ski, but the one I would suggest within the limitations offered.

Come on good people, re-think this. A Mantra in a 184, oml.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
i am sorry to have to be the one to say this but you are way over your head with that ski. It is not an intermediate ski and you are just coming back. No way, this is a terrible choice for what you have described.

Even the Bridge would be a lot of ski, but the one I would suggest within the limitations offered.

Come on good people, re-think this. A Mantra in a 184, oml.
My opinion only of course, but I disagree with the above. I'm an intermediate skier and 3 seasons ago against all advice I went from a 02/03 K2 5500 straight to a Nordica Top Fuel. While the Nordica was more stable and had much better edge grip, it was no more difficult to ski than the K2 and I would recommend it to any solid intermediate to this day.

While I don't know what length the OP should be on, I don't think he'll need more than a few days to feel comfortable on the Mantra or any other non race ski provided he's a solid intermediate as his post seem to indicate.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Magnum420 View Post
Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the 184 Mantras.
Congratulations! An excellent choice. Let us know how they work out for you.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post
My opinion only of course, but I disagree with the above. I'm an intermediate skier and 3 seasons ago against all advice I went from a 02/03 K2 5500 straight to a Nordica Top Fuel. While the Nordica was more stable and had much better edge grip, it was no more difficult to ski than the K2 and I would recommend it to any solid intermediate to this day.
No way
post #21 of 27
I went from a 162cm Metron B5, to a 183cm Volkl Gotama. People can adapt quickly and the mantras are pretty easy to ski.
post #22 of 27

Skis

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
I went from a 162cm Metron B5, to a 183cm Volkl Gotama. People can adapt quickly and the mantras are pretty easy to ski.

Bushwacker, have the 183 Gotama in my possession and funny skied the B5 also before bought a Fischer RC4 late last year for groomers etc. Thanks for help on Gotamas.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Magnum420 View Post
Thanks everyone! I decided to go with the 184 Mantras. I was going to go with the bridge but someone else already had dibs.

Now I just need bindings... Any ideas?

Again, thanks for all the help!
Good choice for a one ski setup, look at Tyrollia or Look/Rossignol bindings don't get Marker.
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone!

Paul Jones- I appriciate the advice. What I am figuring is that this is such a great deal that even if I dont like them I can sell them used and at least break even or make a little off of them. Then, far short of the deal I am getting right now, I can still get 25% off 2008 skis for the rest of the season. In prep for this, I have also been working extra hard on my legs and abs, and I will have about 1 week of skiing on rental skis before the mantras arrive. I think this will give me a good base to work with for these skis.

Heading out to look at bindings right now!

Again, thanks everyone!
post #25 of 27
I would go with the shorter ski (175). I am 6'2" 215 lb. man before putting on, "my gear." I used to ski 207 Race Slalom skies in the days or "straight" skis. Whiteface's ski and snowboard director talked me into shorter skis. He was right
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post #26 of 27
you could put a marker jester on it. i haven't skiied it yet but i hear they are great on a wide ski.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yeah.. I have heard good things about the Jetster. Bad things about Marker, good things about the Jester.

Only problem with the Jester is it costs more than I am paying for the skis.
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