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Crested Butte or Jackson Hole

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ok,

Now I'm not asking which one is "Better". Because I know both of these places are great. But I want to know which one would be "better for us".

The trip is going to going be the week of February 18th - 22nd..

People: 4 of us (3 skiers and 1 boarder)
Ski Level: All Intermediates and Above
Favorite terrain: Trees, Steeps, Powder
Price: below $1,000 each with airfare

Snow Quality for that time of the year is very important also..

Non-Ski activites: We like to Drink (real drinks not that Utah crapola.) and perhaps hit up some nice Bars with some Females around to look at..

Good Food is a Plus as well..

any insight would be appriciated..
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by Xtremity View Post
Snow Quality for that time of the year is very important also.
If this is really important than it is a no-brainer...JH. CB doesn't get anywhere near the amount of snow that JH does. Too bad because CB has great terrain.
post #3 of 23
This is also a "la Nina" year, which means the storms are supposed to tend to stay farther north, which favors Jackson over the Butte.
post #4 of 23
Jackson Hole - no brainer.
post #5 of 23
If you're looking for unattached females, I'm not so sure that JH is the target. I wouldn't know, but maybe Crested Butte might be better in that regard.

post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Xtremity View Post
...and perhaps hit up some nice Bars with some Females around to look at..

Good Food is a Plus as well..

any insight would be appriciated..

with that criteria, neither. Go just north of CB............to Aspen!
post #7 of 23
Well, Jackson starts becoming a south-east facing nightmare about mid/late February. Hopefully, you get some snow or refrozen crud will rule.

Look at all that SOUTH and SOUTHEAST facing terrain. Hobacks, Rendezvous, most bowls, Apres Vous, etc. There is very little north-facing to preserve good snow.

post #8 of 23
As many of you may recall, I've ragged on Jackson's exposure problem here before. President's week is about the time that it starts to become a chronic issue. http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boa...pic.php?t=5540 . I wouldn't consider JH in your time frame the outright blunder it would be a month later, but the risk is there.

That said, Crested Butte's North Face is nearly always a risk for coverage to some extent. All 3 of my trips there were in late March/early April to maximize cover. Nonetheless I've still never seen Third Bowl, and Phoenix/Spellbound and Staircase were only open one of the 3 trips.

I think it's a close call, usually slightly in favor of Crested Butte, but the La Nina makes Jackson look better this year. I've also noted (and Bob Peters confirmed I think) that 2007-08 is a problematic season for Jackson because ski patrol does not have quick access to the top of Rendezvous for control work.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 

dang it

Now I'm all confused again...

After being all set on jackson hole now I fear that I'm going to catch awful conditions..

which resort is Bigger ?


I's go to Snowmass, but in all honesty it's a bit expensive.. sorry i'm not willling to pay double to ski less.
post #10 of 23
Jackson is much bigger than Crested Butte IMHO. But I still think it's a close call. Jackson is nirvana if you get powder. But I'm worried that patrol will be slow to get things open without the tram, and on a sunny day in late February the snow in the Hobacks will turn to cement by noon.

I'm quite confused why a skiier looking at JH and CB would be considering Snowmass as an alternative. Maybe Tahoe or Whistler: big, exciting terrain, much more nightlife?
post #11 of 23
I've been at JH several times with temps in the 50's. Both times there was plenty of north facing slopes with winter snow on them. And the corn came up quite nicely. I wouldn't worry about the snow if I were you.

Mike
post #12 of 23
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Both times there was plenty of north facing slopes with winter snow on them
A picture (ChrisC's Google Earth map) is better than 14 words. The natural fall lines on Rendezvous Mt. are parallel to the Sublette Chair, which you can see runs on a NW to SE axis. On the lower faces the long ridges (Hobacks, Sublette, Colter) are on that same SE-facing line, with dropoffs to skier's right (almost directly south) and left (maybe a bit north of east but still in direct morning sun by late February).
post #13 of 23

Butte vs. Hole

Our group went to Crested Butte last year and to Jackson Hole the two years before. I love Jackson Hole and would go there every year if I could. I'm from Iowa so we try and branch out and experience a little of everything. I say go to Jackson if snow is poor go over to Grand Targhee. The Best Western on the mountain was pretty cheap for ski/out location. It has a pool and is walking distance to the Mangy Moose. The town is awsome too.
Crested Butte was great fun. We went the 1st week in Feb. and there didn't seem like there was alot of snow coverage. This was more common on the double black runs?area.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
A picture (ChrisC's Google Earth map) is better than 14 words. The natural fall lines on Rendezvous Mt. are parallel to the Sublette Chair, which you can see runs on a NW to SE axis. On the lower faces the long ridges (Hobacks, Sublette, Colter) are on that same SE-facing line, with dropoffs to skier's right (almost directly south) and left (maybe a bit north of east but still in direct morning sun by late February).
Yep, and they generally have well in excess of 70 inches of snow by that time of the year. Three years ago, I was there for steep and deep in March. It was a bad snow year, they had no snow for a couple of weeks before I got there, and it was in the 50s for 3 of the 4 days I was there. Even so, the skiing was pretty good. The north facing slopes (Paintbrush, the Alta chutes, Bivouac woods, Biivouac, Hoops Gap, Tower 3 Chutes, etc.) all had winter snow -- meaning soft, powdery snow that would be a pleasure to ski any day of the season. Rendevous Bowl was hard and icy in the morning, but warmed up usually to quite lovely corn. Apres Vous, Lone Tree, etc. had quite lovely corn as well. You had to be off of the Hobacks by roughly 2 or they were too soft to ski, but their was plenty of good skiing--in one of the worst snow years experienced in JH during one of the warmest late periods.

Even last year, when I managed to hit JH during an unusual warm spell in early February, was quite good. We skied the corn on Apres Vous down to bare spots -- but the winter snow on the north facing slopes was lovely. The corn in Rendevous was incredible. Frankly, corn skiing is a close second to powder skiing in my book. Again, you just have to be careful to be off of the lower Hobacks (and Rock Springs/Green River Bowl) early if it is unusual and you get a 50 degree day.

I personally think mid-February is not a bad time to go. You always have a chance of bad conditions whereever you go. Both CB and JH need a lot of snow to cover their terrain. But Jackson gets 100+ more inches, on average, than CB. This year looks likely to favor the Northern Rockies. I'd bet on JH this year over CB, (boo hoo, since most of my skiing is in Summit County).

Mike
post #15 of 23
I do think mid-February is a close call. The unusual factors this season at Jackson (positive for La Nina and negative for the control work with no tram) don't make the decision any easier.

I am also a devotee of corn snow, from skiing Mammoth regularly in April/May and several exceptional corn days at Mt. Bachelor. To paraphrase the late Lloyd Bentsen: "I know corn snow. Corn snow is a friend of mine. What I've skied at Jackson Hole in late March is no corn snow." I'm sure it can happen, but I wouldn't bet airline $ on it.
post #16 of 23
I've skied both resorts and had a blast at each. For nightlife, I'd probably give the nod to Crested Butte, though Jackson holds its own, and the Mangy Moose is just the all-time, unstoppable best ski bar in the world. Terrain is great at both, though different. I'm no Tony Crocker, but I'd have to think you're more likely to get powder at Jackson. Somebody suggested Aspen as an alternative. I'd maybe throw Telluride into the mix too.
post #17 of 23
I haven't been to JH but at CB if your "above" skier levels are true experts and will be skiing North Face (if there is coverage) the "intermediates" will be stuck on the front side and you will be skiing separately for the most part. You pretty much have to commit to expert terrain in those areas with no "easy way down". Also at JH (from what I hear) the blues are like blacks at most other places so your group could have a better chance if enjoying some runs together.
post #18 of 23
I agree with MattL's comments. Powder probability is much higher at Jackson, though it may last only half a day if it's sunny in late February.

Crested Butte's North Face is mostly inaccessible to intermediates since there are so many variations and blind approaches to its steeper sections. This is a big part of CB's appeal to experts. It's a unique ski experience, though powder is usually not part of the equation. Intermediates can scout much of what they will ski at Jackson while riding the lifts.
post #19 of 23
If Apres and EyeCandy - are factors in your decision making process - I would go to JH. the visiting crowd is a little older - but there are a fair amount of cute, friendly waitresses around town. we met a few at the SRG and also at the award winning brew-pub(forget the name). The next morning - we went Randonne skiing off of Teton pass - we bumped into them again !!
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
I do think mid-February is a close call.
Really? Both times I've been to Jackson have been in Mid-Feb and it's been like only a few tenths of a degree warmer than absolute zero....
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 

All Booked

I'll be in Jackson Hole the Last week of February..


decision has been made

thanks guys..

god i love this site..
post #22 of 23
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Really? Both times I've been to Jackson have been in Mid-Feb and it's been like only a few tenths of a degree warmer than absolute zero....
That's funny. *I* thought it was fairly warm.

You're just too accustomed to that balmy Wasatch weather.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Xtremity View Post
I'll be in Jackson Hole the Last week of February..


decision has been made

thanks guys..

god i love this site..
Correct choice. I applaud you.

You'll love it.
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