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post #91 of 218
10/31/07 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by carver_hk View Post
I dont know if my question is too simple. But i do like to know how to throw sideway when your skis is heavily engaged at 50mph in various poistion of the turn.

1. after release and before engage. This one should be easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XguvqvVuSQ
Certinaly appears easy....but dont let that fool you, I suggest you practice this one alot.
2. at upper C http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMchlokCWIk
3. at fall line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Vi7fibxTs
(Note the slight up unweighting here...that is key for this move)
4. at lower C - rebound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxrhLIcI9A
I dont think she is quiet doing 50...but the technique is exceptional

I embedded some videos to show you how...I hope these help Carver.......I suggest you and Max watch frame by frame....watch the hips, and if you look close you can see the "phantom move".
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post #92 of 218
10/31/07 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post
I embedded some videos to show you how...I hope these help Carver.......I suggest you and Max watch frame by frame....watch the hips, and if you look close you can see the "phantom move".
Thanks Skidude72. Its very unfortunate that they all end up lost balance.
I checked many times already. Still not too sure about every intended move.
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post #93 of 218
10/31/07 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

well I ski that fast, I am sure several other ski that fast. I guess I must be truly insane and good luck calling ski patrol on me, you didnt buy them beers yesterday.

C is what people billymc would think that happens in reality any race car driver worth his salt would do B. I have done this many time in my own personal and borrow cars.
Dude...umm...do you need some help pulling your panties out of your crack?

Cause my post...was totally and completely made in jest.

You're very special...thanks for just being you.:
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post #94 of 218
10/31/07 at 5:08am
well said billy.

your sarcasm is sooo easy to read.
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post #95 of 218
10/31/07 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
well said billy.

your sarcasm is sooo easy to read.

Well, I kinda thought when I opened my comment with this: "Yeah, but you need to fuel it up a bit. Ready? Stand back...."


And closed it with this: "Hmmm...I think that pretty much covers it, right? "

That it was obviously a joke. I'll explain, for Bushwackoff: everytime the topic of skiing at "X" speed comes up, it deteriorates into comments about the irresponsibility of skiing "that" fast, or the disbelief that anyone skis that fast regularly...and those arguements are countered by...well, basically by what you so accomodatingly posted, Bushwackoff.

I think there should be an Epicski version of Godwin's law. We can name it Bushwackoff's Law. The central premise should be that no matter how obvious the sarcasm in a post, someone will take it seriously and really throw down and make an ass out of themselves.

Bushwackoff -- sorry for the frivolity. We can now return to our regular thread already in progress:

"...way faster than that, switch through the f'n trees. It's not hard for those of us who have the skills, and if you don't you should stay on the bunny slope. Or better yet in the lodge so your skis don't get damaged while I"m out skiing at speeds you call "insane".

BTW - maybe you ought to look up the phrase "hook, line, and sinker!" ::
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post #96 of 218
10/31/07 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Skinny 165 cm 13-m radius skis.
The highest blue line between the two lifts in the first PNG shows how long it takes to stop from about 60. I suddenly realized I was about to miss my cut-off. In the 2nd PNG, below the northern ones are black or double black:, but I'm pretty sure the middle ones are blue
I'll be sure to hang this on my refrigirator right next to the printed copy of Bushwackers incessantly quoted thread... :
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post #97 of 218
10/31/07 at 7:32am
did you do that on etcha-sketch?

I digress to the original premise, if you are going 50 and someone pops out in front of you, say within 20 feet? you're F*cked. Period. End of scenario. If you're lucky, you'll turn fast enough and just fly into a tree and only kill yourself. A hockey turn won't help, you will travel a lot farther than 20' in the time it takes to turn your skis. Now do we need to provide a process map on how to die in this scenario? Oh crap only #97...
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post #98 of 218
10/31/07 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
did you do that on etcha-sketch?
No... You can't hang an etcha-sketch on a refrigerator! Everyone knows that. It's done with this:

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post #99 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:06am

New idea for Etcha-Sketch

DOHHHH! yes, you're correct, I don't have kids. I think they should make one that you can e-mail a PDF image from..... Now the thread is getting some where :
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post #100 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:06am
Just wanted to be #100...
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post #101 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:16am
WC finishes

Here's Bode after throwing them sideways. He took a suicide line to the finish and had to go 88-0 fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFK4mr6JAM4

I skied the same pitch from a standing start, through a speed trap set up for public use. On 180's, no wax, baggy clothes and a backpack I went 0-60 quite easily. I stood up, made a bit of a turn, and was right away at about 40. Did a hocky stop and looked back at the scoreboard to see my speed....98 kph.

We all need a field trip to Wengen to play around with that.
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post #102 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:24am
Version with context:


He said he pretty much planned on falling there. Ballsy tactical decision.
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post #103 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:37am
Much better youtube! Thanks for finding that!

At the top of the course they have a big hourglass which takes 2:20 to empty. They invite you to flip it over and stay in a tuck until times up.
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post #104 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:51am
Too cool. I'm all for that field trip.
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post #105 of 218
10/31/07 at 8:58am
can we bring etcha-sketches? or just crayons? (the crayola factory is only about 20 minutes away from me)
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post #106 of 218
10/31/07 at 9:05am
The 2007 Miller method of stopping at Wengen was certainly better than the 1981 Müller method.
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post #107 of 218
10/31/07 at 9:10am
Google isn't helping me too much Martin...looks like he finished 4th...I take it the finish was rather spectacular?
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post #108 of 218
10/31/07 at 9:23am
http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/604/610.ht...AL&raceid=8990
Toni Burgler won. Muller finished in the hay bales about ten metres short of the finish line.
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post #109 of 218
10/31/07 at 9:33am
No I couldn't find the 1981 Muller crash but I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHFEFJBDDQ
Like Bode he finished on his @rse but won the race.
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post #110 of 218
10/31/07 at 9:40am
thanks for those links.
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post #111 of 218
10/31/07 at 10:25am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Martin Bell View Post
No I couldn't find the 1981 Muller crash but I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHFEFJBDDQ
Like Bode he finished on his @rse but won the race.
Looks like he attempted to put the skis sideways and got on the tails.
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post #112 of 218
10/31/07 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by Martin Bell View Post
No I couldn't find the 1981 Muller crash but I did find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHFEFJBDDQ
Like Bode he finished on his @rse but won the race.
And he set the record time, the time on the hourglass at the start house.
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post #113 of 218
10/31/07 at 12:56pm
So, Max, just wondering if all this feedback has helped you find the answers you were seeking, and how they jive with what HH says on the subject. Though HH is more of a slalom kind of guy, isn't he. Didn't race any FIS level DH himself, did he?
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post #114 of 218
10/31/07 at 2:03pm

speed

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Originally Posted by Rick View Post
Pete, think back to those finishes you're familiar with. How far would you average estimate it was from the finish line, where attempted stops began, to the point those stops were finally completed?

Rick, I didn't mean to imply this happens real quick. It takes some space no doubt about it, high er the speed more space is definitely wanted. Average line from starting to stop to fully stopped, I would estimate 40-50 yards. Obviously in some cases shorter or longer based on skill level etc. Sliding sideways is OK sometimes, even preferable sometimes.
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post #115 of 218
10/31/07 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
I digress to the original premise, if you are going 50 and someone pops out in front of you, say within 20 feet? you're F*cked. Period. End of scenario. If you're lucky, you'll turn fast enough and just fly into a tree and only kill yourself. A hockey turn won't help, you will travel a lot farther than 20' in the time it takes to turn your skis. Now do we need to provide a process map on how to die in this scenario?
Really? 'cause my observations are the average skier goes 35-45 mph on blue runs....


That what rules #3 and #4 are for....
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post #116 of 218
10/31/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I'll be sure to hang this on my refrigirator right next to the printed copy of Bushwackers incessantly quoted thread... :
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
did you do that on etcha-sketch?

I digress to the original premise, if you are going 50 and someone pops out in front of you, say within 20 feet? you're F*cked. Period. End of scenario. If you're lucky, you'll turn fast enough and just fly into a tree and only kill yourself. A hockey turn won't help, you will travel a lot farther than 20' in the time it takes to turn your skis. Now do we need to provide a process map on how to die in this scenario? Oh crap only #97...
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Rick, I didn't mean to imply this happens real quick. It takes some space no doubt about it, high er the speed more space is definitely wanted. Average line from starting to stop to fully stopped, I would estimate 40-50 yards. Obviously in some cases shorter or longer based on skill level etc. Sliding sideways is OK sometimes, even preferable sometimes.
After you get it posted on your fridge, you will be able to take a ruler and see that it takes about 100 feet give or take to stop from 60 mph on SCs (Experience tells me the SGs stop a little quicker than the SC).
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post #117 of 218
10/31/07 at 3:22pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post
Though HH is more of a slalom kind of guy, isn't he. Didn't race any FIS level DH himself, did he?
HH did speed events too. But I don't know where (FIS or otherwise).
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post #118 of 218
10/31/07 at 3:59pm
Well, ski areas can institute a speed limit by requiring skiers to wear a drogue chute on the back of their ski jacket with a pressure gauge sensor that detects true air speed adjusted for altitude and pressure/temperature/denisty etc..When you go over a a preset speed the sensor triggers a drogue chute that pops out from the back of your ski jacket and slows you down.
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post #119 of 218
10/31/07 at 4:18pm
Ahh, to post the most politically insensitive things. Sometimes it is tough to be a Moderator.
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post #120 of 218
10/31/07 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Rick, I didn't mean to imply this happens real quick. It takes some space no doubt about it, high er the speed more space is definitely wanted. Average line from starting to stop to fully stopped, I would estimate 40-50 yards. Obviously in some cases shorter or longer based on skill level etc. Sliding sideways is OK sometimes, even preferable sometimes.
I know you didn't, Pete. Just wanted to draw on your experience to reinforce the point about the possibilities of stopping on a dime at speed event speeds. You're estimation sounds pretty accurate to me too. From there we just need to add on reaction time, as the finish line constitutes a pre planned stop initiation point, no reaction time involved,,,, and too the extra stopping distance required on a pitch steeper than that in a finish area.

Folks need to think about this stuff when skiing at speed, so they can better maintain safe buffer zones. Especially those who don't have much experience with skiing at speed.
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