So what the heck do you do if you are zooming along and a boarder drops out of the trees right in front of you?
Happened to me, left me with a broken leg and ended my season
...if you're standing on the edge of Schoolmarm at Keystone, and a boarder comes out of the weeds and turfs you from the rear, leaving you with a concussion and a broken collar bone...happened to me, and no lie, the guy said "Dude...you were on my line..."
Besides awareness of distance to stop mentioned here, is there anything else someone like me should be thinking about? It seems like something is lost if you don't keep pushing comfort limits in terms of speed and/or terrain, but not so much as to be reckless and dangerous. Have I inadvertently stepped over that line?
Actually "scotch free" isn't something I'd heard before, so it might be Pittsburgh is where that is at in the US. I'd always heard "scott free" which that link says comes from that. Didn't know that.
the only place i can imagine going really fast nowadays is in an open, untracked bowl with some ripe snow conditions. i don't foresee this happening anytime soon.
So what the heck do you do if you are zooming along and a boarder drops out of the trees right in front of you
Tell him that is NOT the meaning of "ski in ski out- go back to your room?"
Any spring, on any intermediate run you've gotten intimate with, at NIGHT after all the mush has frozen, FROZEN HARD corn snow! And when you see trails width of herringbone marks where the daytime skiers ran out of steam and had to climb UP to continue down, THATS YOUR WARNING-- airborne in 3,...2,....1,.....SHOOO .......................................................................................................
you might be 3"- 1 foot off the ground but your sailing over the whole crown & part of the hill. OHH the days- Keystone!
here for your entertainment! . Trying to help- it was only @ 218. AND NEW YORK? there's nowhere- except Lake Placid !
Studies have shown experienced skiers significantly underestimate their speed, and beginners overestimate it.
Most of the people saying they have skied for years and only ski at 45 mph are probably hitting 55-60 on a regular basis.
Back in the day had a friend who was a cop he borrowed a service radar gun and we took turns on a wide steep groomed double black seeing how fast we could hit on the gun running through the trap set up near the bottom of the hill. Obsession at Sunday River if I recall correctly was a long time ago...20 yrs probably.
My top was 67mph and I was on Rossignol 7gk's 208 length. One of my buds hit 69mph to just nip me he was on Salomon 1s power 8 (about 212's) another guy on K2 207's was up there too...How accurate the gun was tracking skiers who knows - tho the fellow promised it was bang on.....I can still recall the sound of the wind whistling past my head it was pretty cool...
This was on a weekday btw and we spotted the trail for all clear of other skiers....
So maybe it can be done tho I highly doubt I have ski'd over 40mph since, especially on 170 isupershapes.....no way to clock it and not really interested in doing so....last couple years I have made an effort to slow down a bit anyway.
(maybe 300 posts is possible tho)
....adding another one, I recall in the above situation being puzzled that the readings were maxing out in the high 60MPH range. Felt like a lot more we all thought figuring we would approach world cup downhill speeds.....
Is that really true? I need to clock myself one of these days.... I have no idea....
Sibhusky, hit a tree at speed? Man, I get chills thinking about that, hope you're OK now. I have an old pair of GS racers that I only use for one thing, cruising on mainly wide, groomed terrain. With the right conditions, I could do it for hours, one of my favorite things on skis. If nobody is around on the trail, and I'm familiar with the trail, I pick up the speed and let 'em run. BUT if another person is down below me or if it doesn't look like it's going to be safe ( intersections, slow zones) I'll be the first one to slow it down. I'm pretty cautious.
I know how you feel. Two springs ago something happened that threw me down (still don't know what) and I went sailing into the woods at speed on my back, head first. I stopped abruptly when I hit a big boulder after taking out at least one sapling. If I had hit on my head (even with the helmet) or neck, I'd either be dead or a veggie. But I hit on my shoulder. Sheer luck. I'm fine now, and probably did not suffer as much damage as you did in the end.
I often find myself asking the same exact question - is this worth risking sailing into the woods at this speed? Sometimes the answer is yes. Most times it's no. I still ski at speed, but I try to stay a nice long distance from the trail's edge. I don't ski the little ribbon at the edge of the skied-off trails any more either, even slowly.
As a result of my new-found common sense, I've gotten good at skiing down the boilerplate ice in the middle of the trail, and when skiing bumps I go down the middle where the ruts are deepest, not along the tree edge where the bumps are easier to ski. Not a bad switch, really.
You guys should check out ski tracks or another GPS tracking app if you have a smartphone. They record your speed, vertical drop, distance, etc.
I just tried it out yesterday and I was over 50mph in the morning with no straight lining or tucking at all. Obviously stay in control and ski within your limits, but it's certainly possible to do in a relatively safe manner, especially if you don't mind pulling off every so often and waiting for a break in the flow. I would guess the upper quartile of skiers\riders on any given blue\black is probably going ~45-50. Last year, I hit 74mph with an app my friend had on his phone. I will add that was a straight line tuck on an empty groomer and I certainly don't advocate doing that with other people around.
Granted I'm a relatively young, aggressive skier, but LOL at the safety nazis that think speed is a huge safety concern. Read any book on traffic engineering or flow and you'll start to understand that speed differential is what creates risk, not speed itself. I understand there's cognitive dissonance between an opinion of oneself being the best skier ever and other people going faster while maintaining control, but I haven't met many people that are interested in skiing to the lowest common denominator and I certainly don't hold it against people who pass me in control.
I'll also add that in all my years of skiing, the only collision I've ever been part of was when some drunk asshole in his 50s, gaped out in $5k worth of new gear, ran into the lift line I was standing in. I'll take my chances with a bunch of experts ripping down the mountain any day over the gapers, drunkards, and morons who more generally populate the mountain.
I was on a chair once (quad) and it just so happened everyone had a GPS of some form. By chance, one person pulled theirs out, and said..."oh, look, this chair goes at 15mph" (or whatever it was, I don't recall the exact number)....anyway, this prompted everyone else to pull out their GPSs...the variance? 3mph from the fastest to slowest. Hence not all GPS are created equal. I dont know if this margin of ever increased/decreased with speed or not....but....
Margin of error for most phone GPS (with an actual GPS chipset) is plus or minus 5%. Mine is generally within 1 mph of my car speedometer, which itself is not perfectly accurate, but it's plenty accurate for me.
The margin of error is mainly caused by the 1hz refresh rate of most phones. You can get the accuracy higher if you get an external bluetooth GPS with a 10hz refresh. I actually had one for motorcycle racing and it was within .01 seconds of my transponder time.
I tend to agree with the skeptics.
I have been clocked in DH at 100km/hr or 64mph - this was in full DH gear, in a full tuck, at the fastest part of a closed course, and it was scary as hell. It was no doubt the fastest I have ever skied. I find it hard to believe all these people hit that speed on an open run ever...let alone regularly.
My other "data point" was in a SG which also had a speed trap...I went through that at 81km/hr or approximately 50mph again in full gear full tuck (speed suit etc) at the fastest part of the course - this was also extremely fast, and definitely faster then I would hit free skiing - although the pucker factor was much less. I would believe in certain circumstances this would be possible on an open run...but still very rare.
I think the fastest you would see on an open run would be 45mph...most ski at 30mph.
Just like steepness...so many people get on 45degrees and think it is 60......there is a huge difference.
You don't understand how technology works. Your issue with your navigational GPS is likely a software issue or an old chipset. Your stationary issue is an inherent trait of GPS in that it becomes inaccurate at very low speeds.
Modern phones such as the Galaxy Note 2/3, S3/4, Iphone 5, etc use GNSS (GPS + GloNASS[Russian GPS]) which is extremely accurate in fair conditions, down to 0.1mph to 0.5mph for an automotive application. Anything older will be less accurate. The error is largely introduced in the compensations and assumptions that must be made at the software level when interpreting the data it receives from the GPS chipset as the GPS is only refreshing at 1Hz (assuming you don't have a 10 Hz bluetooth transponder, though a 10hz GPS would provide much more accurate readings); however, when skiing quickly, this becomes less of an issue as the turns become much larger and if you're really doing a top speed run, you won't be turning at all. The position fix disparities also become less important when averaging over a larger distance (this is why it moves around when stationary and is not accurate at very low speed). That only leaves altitude changes. Admittedly, the altitude position fixes are less accurate than horizontal position fixes, but it's certainly not grossly inaccurate by any means and relatively speaking, it's still very accurate. With that said, you can expect +/- 5% accuracy given that you have a relatively clear sky and the developer has done a reasonable job with his software. If you want to be a geriatric luddite, feel free, but science says you're wrong if you think it's off by more than 5 mph given the above mentioned conditions.
Lastly, I don't appreciate the lecture so perhaps you could read my post again and concentrate on the details, particularly the part about, "on an empty groomer and I certainly don't advocate doing that with other people around"