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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I really don't know where else to post this, so I'm doing it here.
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Samurai, I can't send you any more private messages because your inbox is full. Email would probably be best at this point.

Thanks for all of your advice. I got the skis and I've got a few questions to ask. Thanks.
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Actually, what the heck. I'll just post my message that I was going to send Samurai here and hopefully some of you guys can answer some questions for me.
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Private Message:

So I got the skis but I ran into something things that concern me. Luckily I can return the skis within a week, so if it's not a problem either way.

Here's the deal: I found out that the Nordica skis were ladies skis (I just can't win!!!! Ahhh!). But here's my logic. If women's skis are softer, and designed for lighter people, then the fact that I'm only 130 lbs might cancel out the fact that I'm a guy. With that said, I do like to ski hard, so I don't know if these skis will adversely effect my skiing.

On the bottom of the skis there is an info sticker. Here is what it reads:

"SLE means Soft, Light and Easy. It's not only a matter of graphics, these skis are diesigned for light people and are the ideal choice for women skiers. This is because they are easy to turn, light to drive, and soft in their reaction, thanks to a dedicated design and construction."

Target Consumer:
All round skiers searching for a soft, light and easy product.

SUV 12 SLE XBS:
Size (cm) 160
Radius (m) 15
  • sidecut 115-70-99
  • construction ENERGY FRAME CA
  • X-BALANCE SYSTEm (or Synergy Track Plate)
  • N0311 binding by Marker"
That's about all of the info for my ski. My spirits are lifted by the fact that they specifically said "these skis are designed for light people and are the ideal choice for women skiers." "Light people" is not gender specific, so hopefully they are great for light guys too. Maybe I'm reaching too far. If I am, let me know.

Hopefully the skis will not affect my stability. You ever skied ladies skis?

Here is a bit I found on the internet about these skis (the Nordica site was down):
http://www.bumps.com.au/skis_women.php

Secondly, the screws that hold my rear bindings down were missing. I guess the previous owner must have taken them out when they turned the skis into B-Sports (2nd hand sporting goods store). Are these easy to replace, or do they only come with bindings? If I have to buy new bindings, then I'll probably just return the skis for a refund.

Aside from these minor concerns the skis look to be in pristine condition. Hopefully the ladies issue won't be something that I have to take them back for. But if it is then it's all good. I'll simply continue my trek for finding the perfect ski.
post #2 of 26
:Paging techies, gear-heads, helpers, and shop owners...

a new member needs more support than I have been able to deliver.

Porthios is new to Japan, has a couple hundred bucks to drop on new skis, and has 2 seasons under his belt. He's studies martial arts and is fit. He's (22?) and small but athletic 130lb. He advanced up to black-diamonds last year. he felt his 163 volkl motions were too long and left them home in the states. He enjoys riding on piste "just playing around." Small jumps have entered his realm. I believe he plans on getting in around 20-30 days this season. (That's as much as I've gathered.)

This guy is amped for the season and ready to go. Options from the states, however, are limited due to the cost of shipping.

Through his research at local shops, he sent me heeps of photos of some skis that he was interested in. (a very well-planned research proposal, I might add.) A Mizuno 153 ski with some salomons and the Nordie 160 cited above with an XBS system binding were the debate. About 250 bucks for each set up.

I told him to grab the nordies. I didn't know they were ladies' skis, but that doesn't change my recomendation. Mizuno doesn't make skis. Plus, that XBS system adds a lot of benefit.

Can anyone chime in and

A) offer a set of twins + bindings not beat to hell for 250-300 shipped to Japan?
B) assure him that he got the best of what is available?
C) offer further suggestions?

He's amped, guys. This is a severe gear head in the making, and is completely understanding of the fact that he will be buying new skis forever. Access to those skis now, from Japan, is the battle we are dealing with.

Hook him up, or let his nerves relax with his current gig.
post #3 of 26
Realskiers.com give it a good reveiw. I've skied the Balanze 11 woman's ski even though I'm not a woman and thought it worked pretty well as an intermediate ski within it's speed zone. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is where to mount the bindings, as in not too far ahead. Hopefully the sweet spot hasn't been moved forward on the woman's SUV SLE SBX from the men's version.

Of couse, like most intermediate skis they were not designed for very high speeds (stability might be a problem on hard snow at high speeds), but neither were the men's version.
post #4 of 26
Porthios,
Where in Japan are you? If Tokyo, PM me and I'll be happy to show you some good places to shop. Also, where do you plan to ski? I think that might make a difference.
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thank you Samurai. You help me yet again!

Also, thanks for the tips Ghost. That makes me feel MUCH better. The binding screw holes that are farthest to the rear are 50.8cm up the skis, and the ski is 160cm. Would you recommend adjusting the bindings as far back as possible (I've heard several times what you just told me: that women binding rails are moved forward a bit)?

And, just to confirm, any ski repair shop should have binding screws right?

Is there any way to overcome the stability issues when going fast on hard snow? Maybe instead of going straight, I could turn from side ot side, always making sure to have my edges in the snow (I
m just tossing out ideas because I have no good idea myself!)?

Jimintokyo,

Unfortuntately, I live in Sendai. But thanks for the offer anyway.

P.S. I would be willing to pay $350, but these skis are sounding and looking pretty cool, so I don't mind sticking with them. If anything, I think that they will give me much more agility than my previous Volkl skis which were a fair bit bulkier.
post #6 of 26
Porthios, I'm probably going to be down in Jimbocho (Tokyo's ski central) later today and will have my camera, so if I see what looks like a good deal I'll toss up a msg. Assume you're looking for a lightweight twip of about 160 suitable for intermediates -- that sound right?
post #7 of 26
twip = twin tip, btw porthios. jimintokyo may see something worth while down there.

Jim, keep in mind that 350 includes bindings.
post #8 of 26
Fershure; let's say 40,000 yen skis & bindings? I know one or two shops that still have loads of Dogens in short lengths, and prices may be in that range. You think Dogen would be a good choice for him?
post #9 of 26
How about a pair of 168 Dogens with Salomon Z10 Ti B85 bindings for 44,300 yen. They might seem long, but with the twin-tip they should ski much shorter than that. Just saw these on the site of one of my favorite shops.
Anyway, lots more down there. Any added info you can give me on what to look for? Post by noon, I'll probably be heading out around then.
post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
Porthios, I'm probably going to be down in Jimbocho (Tokyo's ski central) later today and will have my camera, so if I see what looks like a good deal I'll toss up a msg. Assume you're looking for a lightweight twip of about 160 suitable for intermediates -- that sound right?
Yeah Jim, that sounds about right. Basically I just want a good all around ski. I'm not good enough yet to say that I'd like to specialize. Besides, that might restrict what I'm exposed to; in my third season I'd rather not have that happen because i'm still pretty young in terms of experience.

Also, I only have until next Saturday to return these skis for a refund. If it gets down to crunch time I'll just return them again and wait it out, but hopefully this can be sorted our sooner rather than later. But don't go out of your way for me. I'd appreciate any and all help, but I don't want to be a burden.

Thanks!
post #11 of 26
No burden at all, young'un. Until the snow falls I'm happy to hang out in ski shops!
post #12 of 26
I think Dogens would be right up his alley. And I agree that volkl twins ski short.

168 Dogen + 130lb 2nd-year vet/martial artist = good combo, imo.
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
How about a pair of 168 Dogens with Salomon Z10 Ti B85 bindings for 44,300 yen. They might seem long, but with the twin-tip they should ski much shorter than that. Just saw these on the site of one of my favorite shops.
Anyway, lots more down there. Any added info you can give me on what to look for? Post by noon, I'll probably be heading out around then.
Hmm, I am only 5'5". I used to ski 163cm volkls and they seemed a bit long but, like I was telling Samurai, I have not experience so I don't know what is or isn't supposed to be long/short. Maybe the volkls felt long because they were heavy, or because my form wasn't perfect. In speaking with samurai it appears that you guys do often ski with pretty long skis.

I had a friend, who had been skiing since he was 6 years old, tell me that skis are supposed to reach your eyes. That would mean that I should be skiing about 160cm, according to him anyway. Since those 163cm volkls did feel a bit long, I'm a bit weary about spending 44,300 yen on skis that I've never been able to try. I mean, I'd spend the money if I knew they were perfect but, at this point, I'd probably only go for something that is a shorter. Once this season is gets under way I'm going to try some longer skis to see how they feel. As samurai was telling me, I'll probably want a new pair of skis next year. I think he's right on in saying that, so if I end up liking longer skis, I'll definitely be getting some next year.

Any shorter skis in stock?
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well I'll be damned. I started looking at some charts and it looks like skis for a skier of my height and weight should be even longer than 168cm (175 actually).

So, I just want to ask one question. If you guys had your choice of any length ski for someone my height and weight, what would it be?

Those Dogens are looks more and more tempting... How do you think I could go about ascertaining them? Any idea how much it costs to get to Tokyo from Sendai? I'm new to the area, so sorry about the ignorance of travel costs.
post #15 of 26
You know Sierra Jim ski's all the womens ski's. Send some inquiries on his shop site at Sierrasnowboard.com . He should be able to answer all the questions except maybe for where to get the screw, for the bindings, in Japan.
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks a million.
post #17 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
How about a pair of 168 Dogens with Salomon Z10 Ti B85 bindings for 44,300 yen. They might seem long, but with the twin-tip they should ski much shorter than that. Just saw these on the site of one of my favorite shops.
Anyway, lots more down there. Any added info you can give me on what to look for? Post by noon, I'll probably be heading out around then.
This ski looks like just the ticket for pathios.
post #18 of 26
Sendai to tokyo via shinkansen or bus would not be worth it. Shinkansen = too much money, bus = too many days.

have jimintokyo give you the phone number of the shop. Arrange shipping. if you need to remount the bindings... go to your shop in sendai that we discussed.

If your japanese sucks, bring the name and number of the shop in tokyo to your shop in sendai and ask for their help, they'll have to mount them anyway. This shouldn't exceed ichiman. Customer service in Japan outdates any western notions by decades. To be frank, if you brought that price quote to your shop and told them to call, they'll either jump on the opportunity to stoke you out, our find you a better deal on the same ski. That's retail in Japan. Don't be afraid to ask for your shop to work with another. Customer service in Japan is honestly quite different from western philosophies.

The Dogens may sound long, but don't let numbers confuse you. Volkl twin-tip lengths are typically one size shorter in riding length. don't fret, they're actually around 160 compared to other companies. It all has to do with measuring techniquies and running surfaces.

edit* your Volkl Motions were not twin tips. I can almost guarantee the 168 Dogens would be more maneuverable than the 163 Motions.
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
Alright cool. Will do.
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
But actually, if I'm going to be spending 54,000 yen, I think I may just look at some more skis from that one shop behind Sendai station. They may have even better skis for that price.

I'll take pictures and post them.
post #21 of 26
Porthios: I don't have permission to attach photos here, but if you PM me an e-mail address I can send you several I took at ski shops today. FYI, the 168 Dogens are 29,800 yen. You definitely do NOT need to come to Tokyo; you can order them online from the shop with bindings at the price I sent earlier, or you can send me the money and I'll buy them and send them up to you by takkyubin and you can get bindings fitted up there. My guy at the shop also thought they'd be about right for you when I gave him the description up at the top of this thread.
Now, he also recommended what I think is a really good deal -- and I hope Samurai and a few others will chime in here with their opinions -- a pair of 159cm Public Enemy for 19,800 yen.
In other shops, I saw the following:
K2 Maverick, 37,800 w/bindings; available in 160/167
Salomon X-Wing 8, 42,200 w/bindings; various sizes
Salomon X-Wing Blast, 46,000 w/bindings; various sizes
Saw plenty of Fischer AMC 500 & 600s, 39,000 & 46,000 w/bindings;
K2 Fujatives; Scratch Brigade Pro (Rossignol?) 29,000 skis only; in 160

I have pix of all these if you want to see them.
I think the Dogens would be a good buy; you might be happy with them for even two seasons. The PEs might also be good. Let's hear from some other folks what they think of all these.
No big deal for me to pick them up and send to you (actually, at a couple of these shops I'm sure they'd be happy to send direct). Also, with the sole size and make/model of your boots they can probably set the bindings for you.
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
Okay, so I feel kind of bad because I'm making you go through some trouble to help me out. I went and made a post at the sierrasnowboard forums asking their staff for some advice. Use the provided link to read the discussion.

After reading that, what do you think? I'm thinking that the skis would be good for this season--especially since I don't push the speed envelope too much, which seems to be their only drawback (I don't think I'm anywhere need racing speeds). Thoughts?

Thanks again for everything. You guys have been a huge help.

P.S. But, I must say that I am very interested in the Public Enemy skis since, at that price, bindings and shipping wouldn't be that much more than the skis that I have now.

Edit: been looking at your list and all I can say is that I'm envious of that awesome selection that you have to pick from in Tokyo. Nearly started to drool.
post #23 of 26
Yeah, I think you should get the binding screwed down, edges sharpened, wax and go skiing! The only concern I had was the binding screw might have ripped out and threads stripped. In that case you can have your local shop epoxy the screw in or move (remount) the bindings and still be close to the sweet spot, maybe closer than you are now.
post #24 of 26
Porthios:
First of all, regarding ``shipping'' -- it's about 1,200 or 1,300 yen to send a pair of skis takkyubin, a cost so negligible as to be meaningless.
Next, while I'm sure the guys at Sierra Sports know their stuff, I'd be very concerned about those Nordicas -- not because they're women's model, but because they're second hand AND those missing binding screws (hints to me the skis have not been well cared for).
Anyway, it's your call. I'm happy to help you buy any of the skis I saw here in Tokyo. Let me know what you decide -- and definitely let me know when you see some snow on the mountains outside Sendai, or if you hear that Eboshi is running lifts.
post #25 of 26
Just make sure when you bring the SLEs in to have the bindings mounted that the tech knows the skis are for you and you are a man. He should be able to put them in the right place.
post #26 of 26
I still think you should hop on that Dogen deal.
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