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post #31 of 33

Sorry To Bring Up An Old Thread

Well a friend of mine and I are planning a ski trip to Alta in March. She has never skiied and I haven't been in almost 15 years, though I started skiing when I was 5. Needless to say we're both pretty "geeked" about the trip and have begun stocking up on gear.I've always known about the quality of Spyder gear so naturally that was the first place I looked. Unfortunately the prices were a bit out of my range for what I wanted to spend for just a weekend getaway. Low and behold, Ebay.. Found Spyder gear, to which I'm sure everyone in this thread is referring to, and proceded to place a bid on a jacket and bib combo. I didn't really do any research into whether they were possibly fakes or not. Upon searching Google I got a few hits about possible fake Spyder gear on Ebay and sure enough the pics were of the same style jacket I just bid on. Well, after actually talking to a pilot/avid skier here at work he gave me the breakdown:Apparently Spyder outsources the majority of their manufacturing to China (as do most companies these days, SADLY). The R&D is done by Spyder themselves but when it's time for production the patterns, material and process standards are sent to China, along with specified quota for each model.The most controlled portion of the manufacturing process is the use of the material, which is fairly expensive when compared to other synthetic fibers. For each quota, for every model manufactured there is a percentage applied for allowable errors or "factory seconds", which determines the excess material supplied. Most of the time the manufacture maintains a pretty decent error-free production run but it's really unclear what they REALLY report. Anyway, taking into account this error-free production run for the "however" many models they manufacture, there will be a surplus of extra material available. This is the material that goes into making the "fakes". Spyder has gone through great lengths, through their R&D, to determine which materials perform the best when used together, hence the enormous price hike. So what you end up with is a jacket that may be using materials and hardware from various different other models. Since the Chinese plant knows nearly nothing about the R&D that went into producing a certain model jacket the combination of material, not initially called out for in the process standard, may reduce the "fake" jackets (or that specific materials) performance. This is why you can take a "knock off" jacket into a Spyder dealer and the only way they would be able to determine is authenticity is through actual testing of the material used. Hope this helps..
post #32 of 33
Bought a real Spyder jacket from my local store last night, got a very good discount 20%+. Didnt want to risk buying a fake.
post #33 of 33
Originally Posted by spud6414 View Post
No doubt! I bet they dont outlay $50 either, closer to 5 or 6. IF WE refused to pay it.......That would help too!
The raw materials probably aren't that cheap, even in volume. Plus they have to ship the things halfway across the world once they're made, which does drive their real cost up (though obviously not close to $500.) They may also face import/export duties, etc.

You also have to factor in the R&D costs (they paid a lot of money up front for this), and obviously there is significant overhead simply in being a "name brand" company with offices, marketing, salespeople, etc. It's a little simplistic to just say "this thing contains $10 in materials! How can they sell it for $500?!!"

Anyway... any time you see a "new" name brand item being sold at a large discount from its MSRP (electronics, clothing, etc.), it is either:

1) A "grey-market" import -- someone is buying them cheap where they are manufactured (maybe even legitimately), then bringing them to the US themselves (usually not paying import taxes) and reselling them for less than the manufacturer does here. You see this a lot with TVs, cameras, etc. -- big-ticket items where they can be reshipped cheaply enough to make up the difference and then some. If the import taxes were paid then this is legal, although some manufacturers don't like it and you usually will have no warranty coverage if something is wrong.

2) Items that failed quality control being resold illegitimately. Some manufacturers do resell these "seconds" at factory outlets, etc. -- but if you're getting it from some random guy on ebay, it's probably going out the back door of the factory instead of being destroyed. Sometimes the defects are minor (say, one sleeve being slightly shorter than the other, or a seam having the wrong shape), and sometimes they are major (like your jacket not actually being waterproof.) Sometimes they tell you about the defects, and sometimes they don't.

3) Unauthorized production from either the same factory or another factory. This is apparently becoming an increasingly large problem for companies contracting out to make high-value clothing/shoes/handbags/etc. The factory produces more items than the manufacturer actually wants, then resells the extra on the side. Sometimes they just take the plans to another factory and start cranking out as many as they can get away with. Hard to prove, and hard to stop since China is pretty lax on IP laws. These items are of very high quality (often -- but not always -- nearly indistinguishable from the real deal), but you're completely screwing the manufacturer by buying them.

4) "Look-alike" knockoffs, usually of vastly inferior quality. These are usually easy to tell apart if you can see them in person and know what the real one should look like, although obviously if you are buying something on ebay you may have little to go on.

Personally, I don't buy anything that I know or strongly suspect is counterfeit (categories 2-4 above). IMO you're stealing indirectly from the manufacturer if you do so, but not everyone feels that way.
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