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post #31 of 45
This is what I was looking for! Watch until the end of the video.

How's this for controversy: Jason Garfield re-choreographs Chris Bliss!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83329274446460
post #32 of 45
Certainly seems to get the point across.
post #33 of 45
Why, watching that and comparing the skills of Jason and Chris, do I get flashing mental pictures of sloppy steering and crude tail tossing presented with elegant style and big smiles.
post #34 of 45
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Why, watching that and comparing the skills of Jason and Chris, do I get flashing mental pictures of sloppy steering and crude tail tossing presented with elegant style and big smiles.
Or why do I get the flashing image of Peter Townsend (very basic guitar player from the WHO?) and John Williams (astonishing classical virtuoso) enjoying each other's contribution as they played together in an Amnesty International concert years ago. The difference was that somehow John Williams didn't need to spend so much time (or any time) dissing Townsend's guitar work, but rather appreciated that he played at all and contributed the emotional input that he did.

Of course, Chris Bliss is not the level of Garfield as a juggler. But Bliss connected to the juggling, the music, the audience (and an enormous internet audience) in a very deep way, and has for years--where Garfield didn't.

I agree with Garfield that we like it for more reasons than the juggling, and this is what touch is all about. It's all right to be MOVED by folk music as well as by classical virtuosity.

And the difference between John Williams's response (to stand up and bow to Townsend with appreciation) and Garfield's response (to diss the other guy) is pretty amazing.

However, I'm pleased to learn that there are levels of juggling that Garfield speaks of, and awestruck at its virtuosity. I'd be pleased to see his expression of music and juggling in such a way that would move me at emotional level, and not only at a virtuosity level.

And it ain't about the song for me. I've never liked the Beatles.

But, yeah, it's hard to define art, isn't it?
post #35 of 45
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One other thought here. I would have posted Garfield's stuff on my blog in a heartbeat after having seen it (although I'm more moved by the scene of Chris Bliss), were it not for the "I'm great and he sucks" tone of it. That just happens to be against the spirit of all that I belive in.

Taken to the skiing level, as Rick brings up, although I recognize virtuosity (in ski racing, for example), and choose it as my model, I'm completely thrilled when an intermediate skier comes down the hill expressing joy and style and their own personal dance.

I think one of the beauties of skiing is the chance to be your own hero! Even if it's just in your own mind. I will make efforts to coach and open doors to better and more, but I'll never diss what they do. (unless they are really making an effort to convince me that there way is the truth)

My understanding of Chris Bliss history is that he was rather surprised that this his juggling had become so widely seen, as his main efforts have been in comedy and in re-introducing the Bill of Rights in local government.
post #36 of 45
Weems,

When that intermediate comes down the skill to be hailed as the pinnacle of skiing, as Chris Bliss has been hailed as the pinnacle of juggling, you can imagine those that have actually spent the time to perfect their art would be truly pissed off.

As Jason Garfield says, it's fine to like that performance, just don't call it good juggling.

As far as "power" goes, I'd say that the display of 5 balls IN EACH HAND is power. 5 in total can be well choreographed, 3 is a beginner.

Edit: Note the same moves by this young man as in the Bliss Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgCxNhEyZso

This kid is 13:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwUwRWTiJY

A stadium filled with people, a state of the art sound system at huge volume, and even Brittany Spears could wow them.
post #37 of 45
Why do I feel like someone just peed in my Cheerios?
post #38 of 45
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Why do I feel like someone just peed in my Cheerios?
thank you for that visual, now I have some coming out my nose and I need a clean up on aisle 9.
post #39 of 45
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Weems,

When that intermediate comes down the skill to be hailed as the pinnacle of skiing, as Chris Bliss has been hailed as the pinnacle of juggling, you can imagine those that have actually spent the time to perfect their art would be truly pissed off.

As Jason Garfield says, it's fine to like that performance, just don't call it good juggling.

As far as "power" goes, I'd say that the display of 5 balls IN EACH HAND is power. 5 in total can be well choreographed, 3 is a beginner.

Edit: Note the same moves by this young man as in the Bliss Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgCxNhEyZso

This kid is 13:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwUwRWTiJY

A stadium filled with people, a state of the art sound system at huge volume, and even Brittany Spears could wow them.
I've got no trouble looking at his juggling skills as much less compared to Garfield. But I think he works with the music in a way that neither Garfield nor the kid do. There is an emotional content here about, as Garfield said, the performance.

And I think Nolo says it well. I think the way to make it work is not to diss but to add to. I would venture to say that CB's performance has done a lot more towards enhancing juggling world wide than Garfield's. I would say the same about Townsend (WHO) and Williams (CLASSICAL) regarding guitar. And I'm not a WHO fan, nor a Beatles fan. I think their music doesn't compare. But I'm sure glad that people like it and listen.
And finally I think the same about the difference between WC and XGames. I think the racing skills are beyond compare, but I'm delighted that the XGames brings out interest in the sport AND that it brings people joy.

I wouldn't dream of saying that CB is the pinnacle of juggling. That's absurd. And probably he's not even a professional juggler. But he sure did strike a chord.
post #40 of 45
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Taken to the skiing level, as Rick brings up, although I recognize virtuosity (in ski racing, for example), and choose it as my model, I'm completely thrilled when an intermediate skier comes down the hill expressing joy and style and their own personal dance.
Couldn't agree with you more, Weems. The joy that comes from skiing is not reserved for only those of the highest skill. Higher levels of skill just provides different forms of joy.

Revel in the moment, and look to the future, aye?



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I think one of the beauties of skiing is the chance to be your own hero! Even if it's just in your own mind.
And therein lies the rub. I come from a world that doesn't allow the luxury of self illusion. The clock swiftly kicks such illusions to the curb. Perhaps why my focus tends to gravitate to the skills side. Coaches can't entertain illusion. Conversely, they have to help students come to grips with the inevitable death of what illusions exist, while maintaining the motivation needed to make those past illusions future reality.
post #41 of 45
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Why do I feel like someone just peed in my Cheerios?
Trying to get to Disney World, aye? The reality is, you don't get there without a stopover at Carnegie Hall.
post #42 of 45
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Trying to get to Disney World, aye? The reality is, you don't get there without a stopover at Carnegie Hall.
Very good! Reminds me of the tourist in NYC who asks a street musician how to get to Carnegie Hall. The guys says, "Dude, you gotta practice and practice and practice."
post #43 of 45
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Couldn't agree with you more, Weems. The joy that comes from skiing is not reserved for only those of the highest skill. Higher levels of skill just provides different forms of joy.

Revel in the moment, and look to the future, aye?





And therein lies the rub. I come from a world that doesn't allow the luxury of self illusion. The clock swiftly kicks such illusions to the curb. Perhaps why my focus tends to gravitate to the skills side. Coaches can't entertain illusion. Conversely, they have to help students come to grips with the inevitable death of what illusions exist, while maintaining the motivation needed to make those past illusions future reality.
Well said--on both counts.
post #44 of 45
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Trying to get to Disney World, aye? The reality is, you don't get there without a stopover at Carnegie Hall.
From my neck of the woods, as I recall, the stopover is in Washington D.C. But I quibble.

Truth is, I just wanted to see if I could get anyone to do what SkierJ did through his nose.
post #45 of 45
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From my neck of the woods, as I recall, the stopover is in Washington D.C. But I quibble.

Truth is, I just wanted to see if I could get anyone to do what SkierJ did through his nose.
I don't know about that, but I may never eat Cheerios again!

What a great expression! You really do speak fluent Ranch.
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