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Is Nov Skiing going to be a bust?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
The weather reports say its warm and sunny in Colorado.. No systems rolling in ....

Is it time to realize that my mid November trip is going down fast?

Or am I missing something : Last year it looked good by now....

Say it aint so...

I gotta get out of MIA....
post #2 of 29
You know there are other places to ski besides Colorado.....
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
U R Correct... I am sorry....

Should have said, "Is it time to scratch the mid November Colorado trip in favor of the PNW or somewhere?" and if so, where :

Thank you for correcting me...
post #4 of 29
Don't loose hope yet.

Things were a bit better last year this time, but overall, its still a good early season.

Local forecast is calling for a big low pressure to settle in mid-next week. Might be snowing when you get here!
post #5 of 29
Hmmm...latest forecast calls for a friggin' rex block to set up shop through early November. Not good. I'm feeling like I need to sacrifice a pair of skis to the snow gods and get my Native American friend to do a snow dance. Oh, wait, if I do burn a pair of skis as a sacrifice, won't that just contribute to global warming.....?
post #6 of 29
Are cmsummit and triplenet living on the same planet?

You decide:http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=60572
post #7 of 29
At the risk of being a broken record, commiting inflexible airline $ in advance for November skiing anywhere is nuts. You MUST be flexible. There will probably be snow somewhere, but if you have to guess a month ahead you have 25% odds at best of getting anything in mid-November close to what you would in January.

From triplenet's second post it sounds like there is some flexibility. Wait until the last possible drop dead date. The PNW has better early odds than Colorado in general because its heavier snow will stick while the October Colorado fluff will be long gone. The current La Nina also increases the odds for the PNW, very likely good by early-to-mid December.
post #8 of 29

Depends on what you're looking for...

...but I guarantee there will be some skiing in Colorado in mid-November. I started skiing at Loveland last weekend, and though there wasn't a lot of terrain, it was a decent base of man made combined with natural snow (it has been snowing here in the mountains on and off). If you're looking for a guarantee of full coverage, deep powder in November, you won't get it from me...but there will be skiing...
post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
From triplenet's second post it sounds like there is some flexibility. Wait until the last possible drop dead date. The PNW has better early odds than Colorado in general because its heavier snow will stick while the October Colorado fluff will be long gone. The current La Nina also increases the odds for the PNW, very likely good by early-to-mid December.
Unfortunatley the "guys" trip has fixed dates for the weekend of Nov 15th..... Hard to get everyone on the same page... We can go anywhere within reason provided there are enough runs open to make sense.. But it has to be that weekend..

My fall back position is over Tday weekend with my 12 yo daughter - She is good but that changes the trip all together... Then a quick turn around for 10 days in Park City over xmas and new years ....
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by triplenet View Post
Unfortunatley the "guys" trip has fixed dates for the weekend of Nov 15th..... Hard to get everyone on the same page... We can go anywhere within reason provided there are enough runs open to make sense.. But it has to be that weekend..

My fall back position is over Tday weekend with my 12 yo daughter - She is good but that changes the trip all together... Then a quick turn around for 10 days in Park City over xmas and new years ....

is europe within reason. I'd say that would be a good bet. otherwise whistler.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
is europe within reason. I'd say that would be a good bet. otherwise whistler.
I say 6 hour flight from MIA is max for a 4 day quick trip... MIA to Zurich is 10 min.... But I did think about it for a second

Whistler cams show no snow and that would be a hump as well to get there....

post #12 of 29
Well, I'm in the same boat. I'm going to Keystone, snow or no, on November 15th. My kids will be in ski school, and I hope my wife and I can ski, not hike. This is the first time I've booked such an early trip, and I'm getting nervous. There appears to be some possibility of snow in the coming couple days, but I don't know what to expect. The manmade snow appears to be insufficient to even cover the ground per mountain cams. Looks like I may have learned an important lesson!

This is my first post on this forum. Will be checking back often.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
At the risk of being a broken record, commiting inflexible airline $ in advance for November skiing anywhere is nuts. You MUST be flexible.
Words of wisdom. Considering it's October 30th with no snow in sight and we only have 2 runs at Loveland and 2 at ABasin, you are probably wasting your money. Yes, Keystone and Breck may open a run or two of manmade, but lines will be huge. Given that a "good" storm in CO is about an 8" snowfall, we are going to need a lot of good storms by mid-Nov to open more terrain...despite the marketing hype, we don't get that many good storms.
post #14 of 29

PNW is bone dry right now

I'm not sure how Whistler is doing (or Mt. Baker), but right now Oregon is bone-dry and warm (highs of 51 on the mountain). We have had a ridge of high pressure parked above us for a couple of weeks and it's forecast to stay through at least the next 10 days. We had 2 feet up on Mt. Hood in early October, but now it's almost all melted away.

We're usually up and running by Thanksgiving, but we'll need a couple of good storms in the second and third week of November in order to meet that goal.

The long-term forecast is for a La Nina this season, which is good for us PNW skiers, but it sure hasn't hit us yet. I'm probably the one of the few in Portland that's p*ssed about all the sunny weather we've been having!

BTW - Timberline Lodge is open for skiing on the Palmer snowfield. Just to let ya'll know. It's probably one of the safest bets for getting in skiing on a Mid-November trip.
post #15 of 29
Oh, goody. Mammoth got a few inches yesterday and they finally started snowmaking---they oughta, they're supposed to open on 11/8...
post #16 of 29
I'm a little nervous as well about prospects for the early season here. Locveland's open, but almost no new stuff in at least a week, and the next two weeks don't appear promising. I was hoping to get up there on the 17th, looks dicey now.
post #17 of 29
Keystone is apparently opening a week early - this weekend as opposed to next, per their website. I intend to go up, but have doubts as to the conditions.
post #18 of 29
Keystone and Copper mountain both opens tomorrow. It snowed in the mountains yesterday and will have significant snow fall end of this week maybe by Monday. Plus they are making snow on a daily basis. It won't be great epic trip but beats east coast skiing any day of the season.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by SwamptoRocky View Post
Keystone and Copper mountain both opens tomorrow. It snowed in the mountains yesterday and will have significant snow fall end of this week maybe by Monday. Plus they are making snow on a daily basis. It won't be great epic trip but beats east coast skiing any day of the season.

Dont want to be a Debbie Downer, but both Copper and Keystone have taken snow out of their extended forecasts. Apparently the snow that was expected is now not supposed to fall until much farther east in the system.

Could be another full week at least before any snow of significance is seen in the Rockies.

Sucks. I follow the snow out west as if my own ski season depends on it.

Hope it turns around soon.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by pattongb View Post
Sucks. I follow the snow out west as if my own ski season depends on it.

Hope it turns around soon.
Yeah, relative to other states, Colorado is always more of a gamble when it comes to snowfall/trip planning...wish it wasn't. Denver is supposed to get up to 70+ this weekend
post #21 of 29
Tahoe skier here and I'm worried. I see nothing but warm, sunny skies for the next 10 days. I don't want a repeat of last years beginning.
post #22 of 29
There's always indoor skiing in Dubai.

This sucks.
post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hows Sunshine/Banff looking? I see some snow in their forecast....
post #24 of 29
If you're going to Colorado early, pick a place with lots of snow making. Many Colorado resorts are only a short drive from others, maybe with more snow making.

The Pacific Northwest is dry so far this year, but it's still real early. A couple of big dumps could open the areas with decent skiing.

Canada and Europe will be really expensive with our devalued dollar. It costs over a buck and a nickel to buy a Loonie now. Almost a buck and a half to buy a Euro.

Whistler's below normal precip 3-month forecast
post #25 of 29
Well it looks like Mt. Snow in Vermont is going to try and open on the 10th. Might have to make the drive, but not until the 28th, first open weekend. And I was looking foreward to making a trip out west first, but not for a few runs.
post #26 of 29
Hi guys,

aussie working at heavenly this yr... I am getting a little nervous about the prespects of this season. (but i know with a lot of the western resorts 1 storm can change the outcome of the entire yr)

First of all is this lack of snow normal for tahoe @ this stage of the yr?

Second of all do you know of any weather discussion forums. here in australia we have such forums:

http://forums.ski.com.au/forums/ubbt...Board=6&page=1

Thirdly do you know of any reliable long range/mid range forcasts. again here in australia we have:

http://snowatch.com.au/14day.php and also http://snowatch.com.au/longrange.php

Fourthly i have looked into it and found: http://www.dryday.com/30dayWeather/U...outh+Lake.html

what do u think of the credibility of this site?
post #27 of 29
Here in NW Montana, it's the first time in five autumns I've not had snow on my front lawn in October. Now, supposedly La Niña is good for us, but I sure wish it would get going! The fact that they pushed back opening day this year from Thanksgiving to Dec. 8 is starting to seem prescient.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
Here in NW Montana, it's the first time in five autumns I've not had snow on my front lawn in October. Now, supposedly La Niña is good for us, but I sure wish it would get going! The fact that they pushed back opening day this year from Thanksgiving to Dec. 8 is starting to seem prescient.
Wow, Big Mt. is really pushing it back, Snowbowl is planning on opening on the 30th, but just because Thanksgiving fell too early this year. There's 6.5 inches on top, but none in the bowls. Usually a huge storm cycle comes in in late November and saves the day though. Last year the bowls were mostly bare five days before they actually opened (up top that is), and within another six days the bowls were skiable, actually they were the bomb. Of course last year was unusual in that Snowbowl had more early season snow than just about anywhere in Montana.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by fallscreek_hotham View Post
Hi guys,

aussie working at heavenly this yr... I am getting a little nervous about the prespects of this season. (but i know with a lot of the western resorts 1 storm can change the outcome of the entire yr)

First of all is this lack of snow normal for tahoe @ this stage of the yr?
After spending the majority of my life in Tahoe, IMO it is not uncommon to have a lack of snow @ this stage of the year.

You are right about one storm changing the face of things. Once high pressure sets in like you are seeing now, it's hard to know when it will break & the storm door will open. When it does watch out! Tahoe is usually feast or famine. From my experience it is hard to predict the weather more than a few days out.

HOPE FOR THE BEST!
JF
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