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Best GS ski for brand new racer ???

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
well, swissam has my money so I guess I have to show up this time .
looking at picking up a pair of skis to train on and not sure what would be best .
Looking at the following
06 stockli Cross Pro which I own 177cm
05 Cross Pro 172Cm
volkl p60 175+
Fischer GS 178cm
stockli GS 176cm
volkl superspeed 175CM
Nordica GSR 176+
post #2 of 25
Fischer rc4 wc sc is the easiest to begin with.. Why haven't you been looking at Atomic gs12pb?
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Fischer rc4 wc sc is the easiest to begin with.. Why haven't you been looking at Atomic gs12pb?
Not sure I agree with the Fischer RC4 WC SC for GS. It is a SL-type ski with a turn radius of ~13m @165. You may want to consider the WC RC, which is a cheater-GS ski (~16m @ 175). However, if you are planning to race GS, then I would stick with a GS ski.
post #4 of 25
What are your stats?
How long skiing?
Honest appraisal of general skiing ability?
What level of racing? (Beer League, Club, Masters, FIS????)
How many days/week of training?
What level of coaching?
Racing goals?

Can't give a coherent suggestion without more info. In general I would say that for a newbie to racing you will not need or even want a "real" race ski. A stepdown or cheater ski will make fewer mistakes for you and be less likely to amplify the ones you make all by yourself. You will also be able to sustain a bend from the top of the turn more readily on a softer ski. I like the suggestion of the Fischer RC but personally prefer the Atomic LT-12. (I tested one last year when I was threatening myself with race training again.....

SJ
post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 
5'11 180 , beens skiing 10 years , advanced to expert skier , this is just a ski club with 3 days of training per week . The club is called swissam and have some of the highest level coaches in colorado . My goal is really to become a much better skier and not really to compete . I just saw a killer deal on a pair of volkl race stock sl skis in a 165 but not sure if that would be the best ski to train GS on .
post #6 of 25
NO. They'd suck.
post #7 of 25
If you like the Laser Cross Pro as a high speed long arc ski, it would work fine as a GS ski. It's comparable to the Fischer WC RC, but stiffer and, I believe, a slightly longer turn radius.
post #8 of 25
http://cgi.ebay.com/05-Head-i-GS-R-D...QQcmdZViewItem

If you weren't brand new, I'd suggest something longer.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
http://cgi.ebay.com/05-Head-i-GS-R-D...QQcmdZViewItem

If you weren't brand new, I'd suggest something longer.
A 190 cm Vist Plated FIS reg ski for a newbie club racer?????...........:

Don't think so.

SJ
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
http://cgi.ebay.com/05-Head-i-GS-R-D...QQcmdZViewItem

If you weren't brand new, I'd suggest something longer.
Did you post the right link? A 190 to train on? If he isn't going to be doing college / competitive racing (aka FIS rules), I'd go with something around what he was looking at, 175-180 range, if he wants a strictly GS ski. The new GS12pb is a nice ski, or you could pick up a LT12 Race Stock in a shorter length if you wanted something with a little more meat.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
A 190 cm Vist Plated FIS reg ski for a newbie club racer?????...........:

Don't think so.

SJ
You beat me to it.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
A 190 cm Vist Plated FIS reg ski for a newbie club racer?????...........:

Don't think so.

SJ
Yeah, those would kill him.

I vote any non-stock 21m ski. A 16-17m cheater ski becomes a SL ski once you learn how to bend the ski and generate power. They are useless for any real GS course. The Volkl Racetiger GS stock is not stiff, you might look into that, 185 length. Also possibly the Solly GS Lab, also not stiff.
post #13 of 25
Some of you suck pretty hard at sarcasm.

edit: I guess I should have used this link. http://cgi.ebay.es/06-07-Atomic-Race... QcmdZViewItem
post #14 of 25
If these are real GS courses and not a NASTAR-type set, I'd look at a consumer race ski like the Volkl Racetiger, Atomic LT/GS, or something along those lines that aren't FIS compliant but still need to be driven. If you're looking at NASTAR-type sets, the Fischer WC RC or Progressor, Atomic SX, or other race carvers will work well.

In either case, I wouldn't go with a race stock ski, as you may find that getting into gates severely hampers your ability to turn those things. You could probably make those turns all day freeskiing, but when told where and when to turn makes a lot of people lose all sense of technique. The consumer skis with their smaller turn radius and softer flex gives you a little more time to think and will forgive you your mistakes.

I'd also avoid the slalom as you won't develop the technique neccesary to move inside the turn and your timing will be off. Besides that, you'll be slow.

Have fun.
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Some of you suck pretty hard at sarcasm.
I thought we were all pretty good at it...........

SJ
post #16 of 25
If you want a softer ski, go with Volkl. 180-185 would be suitable. 190 is a bit too much for training.
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 
oh, I dont want to kill myself but just to have fun . They train GS, SL, DH and SG . I think SL looks the coolest but I have been told its the hardest . If I had to pick one, thats the one I would like to learn .
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gator View Post
oh, I dont want to kill myself but just to have fun . They train GS, SL, DH and SG . I think SL looks the coolest but I have been told its the hardest . If I had to pick one, thats the one I would like to learn .
Then it doesn't make much sense to be looking at this list of GS skis. Do want a GS type ski to train SL on??


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05 Cross Pro 172Cm
volkl p60 175+
Fischer GS 178cm
stockli GS 176cm
volkl superspeed 175CM
Nordica GSR 176+
Oh.....BTW.....GS is waaaaaay cooler than SL.

SJ
post #19 of 25
You should train both rather than specialize in just one of the other. They're both a hell of a lot of fun. So are the speed events.

I'm partial to the Stockli as GS skis as that's what I own. Really nice shovel and great stability. I don't think a 176 would be too much at all for someone your size.

I have a pair of 165cm Rossi 9S WC in good condition mounted with Rossi FKS bindings (din to 15). I'd be willing to part with them for $150. The edges are still fine and the bases are great. PM me if you're interested. I'm in the Denver/Boulder area.

cheers,
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
Problem should be solved . getting the stockli GS non-FS ski . 112/66/94 . I didnt hear back from the rep as to the status but I was just informed they should be in by Nov . So is SL or GS more technical ?
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by Gator View Post
So is SL or GS more technical?
You're going to open up a can of worms with that one.

I will say for me GS is more tactical and slalom is like some sort of violent dance (as quiet as I try to remain). Having 27mm plasic poles whip you about your head and body can be distracting. Slalom armor is nice and helps, but I still get bruised as those sneaky poles find a gap in the protection. I really do love it once I get into the rhythm, but those first few runs of the season can be brutal.

If you're looking purely to improve your freeskiing, I'd start with GS. If you're looking for a beating, SL is the way to go. No seriously, slalom is a great test of timing and reactions, but it can take some time to get competent at. You'll never master either one.
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 
slalom looks like it would keep you in pain . DH and SG on the other hand looks like a dance with life but I guess once you ski at those speeds , normal runs should be a cake walk
post #23 of 25
I agree with Mike. GS is probably a better place to start. I love SL, but for the beginning racer it has a steeper and more painful learning curve to get to the part where you are really having fun. Steeper learning curve doesn't mean more technical, once you get to some level of competence you'll find both are just as impossible to master.
post #24 of 25
On the note on which to start with, I started with SL, but now kinda suck at GS. Its really up to you. Do you like to go fast and wide or (slower) and short? Or, which do you do more often while freeskiing?
post #25 of 25
Is there a reason why you have to pick just one? If you ski in any kind of competition or for any kind of team / organization, you're going to have to do both. You might as well start both now and get as good as both as you can, as fast as you can. If you can chew gum and walk at the same time, there is no reason why you can't learn GS and SL styles together.
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