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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Z12 Ti Smartrak Control

STH 16

Z12 Ti

For Goats.
I know some dont like the front of the Z12 Ti but no one talks of the other two. I guessing there is a reason for that but...why not other manufactors? I can get a better deal if they are Salomon. thx
post #2 of 11
What DIN do you run? What do you like to ski? How do you like to ski?

I know of a few people who had Z12s explode on them last year. These are hard-charging skiers who've been known to drop a cliff or three, but who weren't doing so at the time. Until I hear that these problems have been resolved, I'm avoiding the Z series.

The STH (Steel Toe and Heel) series are supposedly beefier, albeit at a weight cost.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
DIN 8 to 9. I ski well but my job and east coast status aint helping it. I will ski about 20 days out west and a few vt weekends. no big drops here


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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
What DIN do you run? What do you like to ski? How do you like to ski?

I know of a few people who had Z12s explode on them last year. These are hard-charging skiers who've been known to drop a cliff or three, but who weren't doing so at the time. Until I hear that these problems have been resolved, I'm avoiding the Z series.

The STH (Steel Toe and Heel) series are supposedly beefier, albeit at a weight cost.
post #4 of 11
I've been having the same question about the Salamons (http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=60353).

They're 100 bucks more affordable than the Marker Jesters, but I've been hearing the same thing about them not being durable. I'm still on the fence with what I want to do, but if I can sell my B2's I'm going to jump on the Jesters I think.

Were you getting a set of the Gotamas? What size Gotama are you getting?
post #5 of 11
Jesters and Z12s are apples and oranges. The fair comparison is probably Jesters to other high-DIN, all (or mostly) metal binders -- 916s, STH16s, Mojo 15s, FF15s or 17s, P18s, maybe PX18s. I'm not the one to make it, though. SierraJim still has one pair of Fischer Z17 (aka Tyrolia FF17s) for $99.

Everything I've seen suggests that Z12s fall short compared to other 12-14 DIN non-Marker consumer plastic bindings, many of which are cheaper to boot. Look PX12s are $94 at backcountryoutlet.
post #6 of 11
FWIW, I am one of the guys who blew up a pair of Z12's last season. I was a leeetle skeptical of them at first, but ummm the price was right (free ), so figured i'd give 'em a shot.

they held me in skiing pretty darn agressively for about 2 months. i jumped and hucked a lot of stuff with them and they never pre-released on me and released when they should have like any other binding should. I really did like their low weight too especially since I had them mounted on a very heavy pair of skis.

However, all the abuse I put on then eventually took it's toll. they finally cracked fatally when I was maching high speed carves down an empty early morning groomer. it was a wierd feeling to be turning one way and then watching my skis kind of floating off in the other direction without feeling them release........

anyway, that groomer run probably isn't what broke them. i'm sure I cracked them and weakened them throughout my time on them....as I can't remember any single moment that would have done them in individually...and the forces I was generating on that last high-speed carve on that groomer was just enough to break the camel's back so to speak.

I would still recommend them for sure. However, NOT if you consider yourself an 'agressive' skier who likes to jump off things and put yourself in situations where a pre-release can have real scary consequences. If you're just carving around the mountain, sticking to groomers, hitting mellow pow, and not getting overly 'aggro' I think they'd be a great choice. As Alpinedad suggested above, there are better bindings out there that can stand up to more abuse (albeit with a heavier penalty in weight).
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
183s. I rode a pair of 190s with no problem but they where a little long and would be a little slow in tight areas. (6 1 and 195lbs)

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Originally Posted by burrgos View Post
I've been having the same question about the Salamons (http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=60353).

They're 100 bucks more affordable than the Marker Jesters, but I've been hearing the same thing about them not being durable. I'm still on the fence with what I want to do, but if I can sell my B2's I'm going to jump on the Jesters I think.

Were you getting a set of the Gotamas? What size Gotama are you getting?
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
As Alpinedad suggested above, there are better bindings out there that can stand up to more abuse (albeit with a heavier penalty in weight).
my last two skis had system bindings which seem heavier than the average. So I may go with the STH 16
post #9 of 11
I am also about to buy the STH16. I was on the fence about those vs the STH12s but since I run about a 9.5-10 I figured I'd go with the beefier 16s. They're a whole pound lighter then the 916 labs. Too bad they didn't make a ninja sth16
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Brewski2 View Post
since I run about a 9.5-10 I figured I'd go with the beefier 16s.
For the record, I've had no problems running 9.5-10 DIN on my trusty Salomon 912s.
post #11 of 11
Not a big fan of Sollie bindings cuz I had two bad pairs; one never released so my knees did and the other's toepiece fell apart on the side of a mountain. I go with Tyrolias or old rotary Looks/Markers now...
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