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Atomic LT or GS 12pb experiences?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Looking at moving from a relatively "old-school" racing slalom ski (Volkl P40 F1 Racing 193cm) to a GS ski as my primary and the Atomic LT12pb was suggested.

I'm mostly skiing blue and black groomers with the family these days but have an opportunity go off-piste on occasion. Have no problems with steep, moguls, speed, etc... ski 15-20 days a season at level 8 or better.

Aside from the increased softness and wider turn radius, what am I like to experience? I'd likely ski 'em at 183cm. There is also a GS 12pb that I would ski at 185cm. (I'm 5'10", 175#)

Any advice from you folks who have already 'downsized' their boards would be helpful (yes, I'm a late bloomer). I know my way around a mountain, but I'm clueless when it comes to today's ski equipment.
post #2 of 12

I wouldn't do either...

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Originally Posted by TampaSkiGuy View Post
Looking at moving from a relatively "old-school" racing slalom ski (Volkl P40 F1 Racing 193cm) to a GS ski as my primary and the Atomic LT12pb was suggested.

I'm mostly skiing blue and black groomers with the family these days but have an opportunity go off-piste on occasion. Have no problems with steep, moguls, speed, etc... ski 15-20 days a season at level 8 or better.

Aside from the increased softness and wider turn radius, what am I like to experience? I'd likely ski 'em at 183cm. There is also a GS 12pb that I would ski at 185cm. (I'm 5'10", 175#)

Any advice from you folks who have already 'downsized' their boards would be helpful (yes, I'm a late bloomer). I know my way around a mountain, but I'm clueless when it comes to today's ski equipment.
...yes, back in the old days, we used to use SL or GS boards for all-mountain skis, but that's not really the way to do business any more. Atomic has so many all-mountain skis that I couldn't even begin to get started....maybe an SX12 is the answer. The GS 12pb is a GS ski, and yes, it'll do off-piste and moguls, but it's not the ski I'd pick. I also wouldn't go with a 185, I'd do a 180. The LT 12 has one layer less in the construction, it's for skiers who weigh less than you do...
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty much resigned to doing a few demos during my first long trip over xmas.

Years ago, I had a pair of Atomic beta race 9.28 slaloms (198cm) that I really liked. I'm not really into doing 165cm slaloms as a primary ski though, hence the move to a longer GS ski.

I had a chance to sneak a personal day or two during business trips last season and demoed 183s. Since they did not perform well at higher speed (speed wobbles), I assumed they were too short.

Typically I'm doing one of three things on the "family" groomers (outside of the time I get to break away and hit the moguls and steeps):

1. short linked turns down the fall line, pretty fast
2. wider turns, higher speed
3. occasional turn, even more speed (and control, too)

Is there a good all-mountain that ski that does all of the above well? My ski stance tends to be old school, boots closer together, which I know is also no longer fashionable.

Appreciate any idaes you have... here in Tampa the ski shop folks have no clue. If I could get new pair of the Volkl P40s I already own, that'd be fine with me...
post #4 of 12

You need a technique remake...

...if you're trying to turn today's skis with your boots together...and I have a feeling your boots are a little archaic, too...then it's gonna be hard to come up with a contemporary ski that you're gonna like. 183 is not long for a GS ski any more...so if you're getting high speed wobbles, it probably isn't the ski, it's the pilot. A place to start to upgrade your technique is Ron LeMaster's The Skier's Edge.

I dunno much about Atomics outside of the race skis, but I'm guessing either one of the SXs or maybe the Nomad would work...
post #5 of 12
I'm 5'7", 165#

I have a 2005-2006 GS11 in a 176 which is a good groomer cruiser, holds an edge well, initiates turns pretty well. I use it in house (fun) league adult racing.

I also have a pair of 2006 Elan 168 666's which were reasonably good on ice, crud, moguls, more versatile but still ok for groomer cruising.

You might want to look for some old reviews of some of the mid-fats skis that are described as being like a GS ski (e.g. Elan 777's, Head monster 77s or 82s).

And take some lessons to adapt to the new carving skis. It will make a huge difference to what you can get out of the new gear.

Check out dawgcatching's list of last years gear for good deals on some of the Head, Elan skis.

Happy spending,
Gord
post #6 of 12

New School Skis with Old School Skiing

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Originally Posted by TampaSkiGuy View Post
I had a chance to sneak a personal day or two during business trips last season and demoed 183s. Since they did not perform well at higher speed (speed wobbles), I assumed they were too short.
I think the wobbles you describe have little to do with the length of your ski. You described your style as old school with boots welded together. If you are skiing on a pair of Atomic LTs in that manner, it is reasonable to expect they are gonna wobble. The LT has more side-cut than the GS12 (17 or 18 M Radius). They want to be up on edge and carving. It is unlikely you are up on your edges with your feet that close together.

These skis are simply not responding well to your style. Others may pitch in and recommend a more appropriate ski for your style. If these are the skis you want, you may wish to invest in a lesson. I have skied the GS:11 at 170 and could not shake them with speed.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by Ski-Dad View Post
I think the wobbles you describe have little to do with the length of your ski. You described your style as old school with boots welded together. If you are skiing on a pair of Atomic LTs in that manner, it is reasonable to expect they are gonna wobble. The LT has more side-cut than the GS12 (17 or 18 M Radius). They want to be up on edge and carving. It is unlikely you are up on your edges with your feet that close together.

These skis are simply not responding well to your style. Others may pitch in and recommend a more appropriate ski for your style. If these are the skis you want, you may wish to invest in a lesson. I have skied the GS:11 at 170 and could not shake them with speed.
...or just invest in a copy of The Skier's Edge, by Ron LeMaster:

http://www.ronlemaster.com/
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Wouldn't be a whole lot easier to find skis that match my long established style?

It's not like I'm vatiling down the hill on Head Standards with bear trap bindings and leather lace ups! I ski quite competently, fast, in control and have nice form. (people even say so...)

I guess I'm wondering why buying a new pair of skis should dictate a style change? Especially since we'll be back on long boards in another ski industry selling cycle. See the thread about that for some interesting controversy...

I appreciate the feedback, but I guess this "old dog" hopes to find a ski that matches his style. Any suggestions you have in that regard are greatly appreciated.

Sounds like there are some new options to explore outside of buying race skis like I have in the past, but atleast I can still ski longer than 180. Shorter skis just don't feel as stable to me.

And I guess I need boots, too. My Lange L10's, while broken in beautifully, just don't match my outfit... <grin>

Cheers to a good season on the snow!
post #9 of 12
I got the Atomic GS12 ('06/'07) in a 180cm and I love it I think it's the best "not race stock ski".. Isn't the LT12 a women's ski?
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
I got the Atomic GS12 ('06/'07) in a 180cm and I love it I think it's the best "not race stock ski".. Isn't the LT12 a women's ski?
I believe that the LT is targeted at women due to the fact that its a somewhat softer ski. I have seen a lot of lighter men use them tho. I have the GS11 Race Stock in a 186 and the SL12 Race stock and love them both. I have used both the Race Stock and PB models of both, and would certainly recommend the SL12 PB to anyone who is just looking for a good time, racer or not. The GS11 or 12 in PB is still a lot of race ski, and the Race Stock versions are impossible to use unless going mach speeds.
post #11 of 12
I race Beer League and Masters races on the '06-'07 GS12PB in 175 (I'm 5'10" 185) and they work just fine for our fairly short, turny courses. They're also fun to freeski until the hill gets crowded and moguled up. As much as I like them, they wouldn't be my choice as my only skis.

Tampaskiguy, where do you usually ski? If you're skiing out west especially, you may want to look at something wider. Regarding your form and style-you would find the modern skis much more enjoyable with a change to a wider stance.You'd find that they really hook up and edge rather than skid. Might be worth a try........
post #12 of 12
If you are going to keep skiing with low edge angles and feet together, then you already have the skis you need.

If you want to expand your horizons a bit then learn how to carve some turns and try it out with some modern skis.

Just about any modern ski will seem "wobbly" if you try and run them straight; they want to be tipped on edge, and running along that edge and turning. However some are more amenable to your old-style than others.
Atomic SX11, or 12 is not one of them.

I suggest you give Peter Keelty (sp?) over at realskiers.com twenty five bucks and access his reviews. He has ratings for skis from the last couple of years and includes a category for "softedge". You would want a ski that scores well in that category for transitioning from the old equipment, or one that scores very well in that category if you don't want to learn any new tricks.
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