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Bindings Solly Z12 ti vs Look Px 12 ti

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Any ski techs or users with opinions on these bindings?

I'm looking at binding options for my Seths (189) and these seem to be contenders. I'm 180lbs, 5ft 10 and a level 8 I guess, my normal DIN setting is 8 on my Stockli XLs which are my all mountain skis, the Seths are going to be my powder skis. On my Stocklis I've got Salomon 912ti and I've had to have one of the brakes repaired and the toe wings need tightening every couple of days, hence the leatherman in my backpack.

I've done some research and the sollys are $230 and the looks $185, the sollys are 1682g per pair and the looks 2540g per pair :. I've read the old thread on the Z12 http://forums.epicski.com/archive/in...p?t-49043.html

Q1 - I plan on doing just tiny little hucks of up to 10ft max - will I need to up the DIN? If so I guess I should I look at Bindings that go up to 14 and set them in the midrange rather than the top end of the DIN 12 bindings.
Q2- Are there any opinions on which are the better made binding etc?

Cheers

BB
post #2 of 19
I used the PX 12 on my Dynastar Contact 11's last year with no issues. I'm a big guy, 230 Lbs.

The real question is what binding at what setting provides reliable release without unwanted pre-release.

A 14 DIN bindings models often are better made than the 12 DIN counter part in the series. This is the primary reason I seek out this binding when possible. I also like to use a binding that allows me to set my binding DIN near the midpoint of the range.

Hope that helped.

Michael
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Michael

Yep see what you're saying. That's why I'm wondering if I need to go up to a higher DIN than 12. At the moment I'm skiing around on 8 (which is right in the middle of the range) but that's for fooling around on small jumps and drops of around 6ft or so.

If I start to go bigger I'm guessing I may need to crank them up a bit hence the desire to buy bigger.

Good to hear no issues with your px12. Looking around TGR I've seen concerns on the heel piece getting sloppy and people say that the toe piece of the Z12 is not great. Would like to hear some anecdotal evidence from any ski techs with common faults with these.

If not then I guess it's just a question of whether I want the lighter more $$ ones or the heavier but cheaper pair. Or widen the search a little.

Cheers

BB
post #4 of 19
The toe on the Z12 is essentially Salomon's old entry level Quadrax toe with a new paint job and higher DIN spring. I had a pair of 711's on some rock skis that they were not confidence inspiring at all. I would go for the Looks over the Salomon Zseries. The older Salomon driver toes are a different story - especially if you're going for the 916 - which is a great binding. The nice thing you get with the Salomon driver toes is there is no upward release, so you won't blow out of the bindings when you land... although this can be bad in a backwards twisting fall. I think several guys on TGR broke Salomon Z12's last year within only a few runs. I'd even recommend a marker over the Z12 binding.
Later
GREG
post #5 of 19
Salomon had two things going for it when competing with Look/Rossi. The biggest was their bindings were much lighter. The second was the driver toe had decent retention that didn't match the Look/Rossi toe but came close enough. Since the Z12 has a much inferior toe I wouldn't recommend them even if you are concerned about weight. (I also have heard bad things about the quality and durability of the Z12 toe.)
post #6 of 19
If you want to save some cash, get the PX12 here:
http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...e-Binding.html

and the fat brake here:
http://www.levelninesports.com/look-...mm-p-2171.html

Or just get some PX14's. They're about $225 at most online shops....

Edit- Nevermind, I just saw you're in the UK.......Sorry.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by bucking bronco View Post
Good to hear no issues with your px12. Looking around TGR I've seen concerns on the heel piece getting sloppy and people say that the toe piece of the Z12 is not great. Would like to hear some anecdotal evidence from any ski techs with common faults with these.
BB
TGR has posted that the older Pivot series gets sloppy. This is not an issue with the PX. The PX simpler and more robust. Its no longer a turntable design, this eliminated the slop.

Michael
post #8 of 19
You can't go wrong with either binding, just buy the cheaper of the two. The only functional difference between a solly and a look/rossi is that you trekkers dont work with look/rossi. Other than that, both are great.

Here's a Rossi Axial 120 WB (Same as PX12) for $140. See if they ship to the UK.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by skibumnh View Post
You can't go wrong with either binding, just buy the cheaper of the two. The only functional difference between a solly and a look/rossi is that you trekkers dont work with look/rossi. Other than that, both are great.

Here's a Rossi Axial 120 WB (Same as PX12) for $140. See if they ship to the UK.
Trekkers work fine with Look/Rossi. You just have to keep the first stage heel lift up....
post #10 of 19
I am in the same predicament and would appreciate it if someone could post a non lifter, non jib, wide brake version of the PX12's.

Can't find any anywhere.
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post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by skibumnh View Post
Those are Axials.....am I missing something???
post #13 of 19
Rossignol Axial2 = Look PX12
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Rossignol Axial2 = Look PX12
I was afraid of that.....now I look stupid.
I am used to it anyway.
post #15 of 19

Bindings

Deemo, I just read on a binding post yesterday that AXIALS
were "pre ejection launch machines". Everybody, any truth to that. I'm like Deemo trying to find the right bindings for some new Goats that aren't ridiculously expensive. read the post on bindings listed about #2 and one comment was he broke the heel pieces on the Look PX12's in one day (and as far as I know it wasn't Highway Star). ????????????
post #16 of 19
I have both Axial 120s and Z12s, each with 30-40 days on them. I do not do major air, and this really has been the issue with the Z12s (the toe piece is not a major issue and the heel piece track has cracked for a few on TGR). People slag the Z12 and yet I have not had one problem with them (though I have not hucked a great deal on them). As for Axials being "pre ejection launch machines," I have not found that at all. In fact, I had a twisting fall and related calf pull because they did not release. I really like the light weight of the Z12, but my inclination would be towards the STH 12 instead.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by bucking bronco View Post
Any ski techs or users with opinions on these bindings?

I'm looking at binding options for my Seths (189) and these seem to be contenders. I'm 180lbs, 5ft 10 and a level 8 I guess, my normal DIN setting is 8 on my Stockli XLs which are my all mountain skis, the Seths are going to be my powder skis. On my Stocklis I've got Salomon 912ti and I've had to have one of the brakes repaired and the toe wings need tightening every couple of days, hence the leatherman in my backpack.

I've done some research and the sollys are $230 and the looks $185, the sollys are 1682g per pair and the looks 2540g per pair :. I've read the old thread on the Z12 http://forums.epicski.com/archive/in...p?t-49043.html

Q1 - I plan on doing just tiny little hucks of up to 10ft max - will I need to up the DIN? If so I guess I should I look at Bindings that go up to 14 and set them in the midrange rather than the top end of the DIN 12 bindings.
Q2- Are there any opinions on which are the better made binding etc?

Cheers

BB
I get away with Look Px12tis at a Din of 9-11 depending on the skis. They are pretty dammn good after 100 some days of abuse on 2 skis. FYI SAC will have those alot cheaper than 185 bucks if you just wait.

At DIN of 9 my PE have never prereleased even on some around 20 foot cliffs.
post #18 of 19
Thanks Alberto.
Based upon that comment I have just struck the Z12's off the list.
I am now down to the STH12's and the PX12's.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
Guys

Thanks for all the info, have decided to keep my eye on SAC for some Px12 or 14s.

Cheers

BB
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