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post #31 of 53
Finn, what I meant is that once upon a time, helmets were seen as nonessentials unless you were in a certain category. Now they're essentials for everyone. I think it'll be the same with armor.
post #32 of 53
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gotcha' I agree, I do see difference bewtween pad type protection vs. hard plate type "armor". I am suprised more don't wear some kind of padding, especially on the east coast, it's not for the 98% of your skiing, it's for the 1 or 2 times you say, thank God.....
post #33 of 53
MTT needs to post a picture of his helmet.

I forget what make it is, but it's a full-face and painted up like a wolf, so his face peeks out of the wolf's mouth. Pretty wicked.
post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
gotcha' I agree, I do see difference bewtween pad type protection vs. hard plate type "armor". I am suprised more don't wear some kind of padding, especially on the east coast, it's not for the 98% of your skiing, it's for the 1 or 2 times you say, thank God.....

Yep and yep. Thankfully we dont need our seat belts everyday either, but we (at least most of us with any brains) wear them. Its all about increasing your odds for survival or non-injury.
post #35 of 53
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Finn, what I meant is that once upon a time, helmets were seen as nonessentials unless you were in a certain category. Now they're essentials for everyone. I think it'll be the same with armor.
More stuff to buy should go over big with skiers.
post #36 of 53
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More stuff to buy should go over big with skiers.
There should be a law, or sumthin' Might not help with injuries, but sure enough could help the pad-dads keep out the dangerous non-padded sorts.
post #37 of 53
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Finn, what I meant is that once upon a time, helmets were seen as nonessentials unless you were in a certain category. Now they're essentials for everyone. I think it'll be the same with armor.
I dunno. With freeride mtb it went from shorty helmet and no armour ('cause there simply wasn't any available) to lotsa armour and a full-face moto-X helmet. Most of the guys I know who still do that kind of riding are back to a shorty helmet and minimal pads. With skiing it went from no helmet ('cause nobody made ski helmets) to everybody wearing one. Last winter I noticed a lot of the more fasion conscious bro's reverting back to the knit puff-ball hat. Except for competition, I don't know anyone who wears armour. I personally don't wear it because I really don't think I need it, it feels way too restrictive and I sweat enough without an extra inch of foam/plastic encasing my body. It may become really popular with the "five pair of boots and 20 pair of skis" crowd because it's more stuff to blow $$ on, but that's about it. Helmets actually make sense, but I think most people draw the line way before the Roboskier look.
post #38 of 53
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I dunno. With freeride mtb it went from shorty helmet and no armour ('cause there simply wasn't any available) to lotsa armour and a full-face moto-X helmet. Most of the guys I know who still do that kind of riding are back to a shorty helmet and minimal pads. With skiing it went from no helmet ('cause nobody made ski helmets) to everybody wearing one. Last winter I noticed a lot of the more fasion conscious bro's reverting back to the knit puff-ball hat. Except for competition, I don't know anyone who wears armour. I personally don't wear it because I really don't think I need it, it feels way too restrictive and I sweat enough without an extra inch of foam/plastic encasing my body. It may become really popular with the "five pair of boots and 20 pair of skis" crowd because it's more stuff to blow $$ on, but that's about it. Helmets actually make sense, but I think most people draw the line way before the Roboskier look.
Oh yeah!??
post #39 of 53
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I dunno. With freeride mtb it went from shorty helmet and no armour ('cause there simply wasn't any available) to lotsa armour and a full-face moto-X helmet. Most of the guys I know who still do that kind of riding are back to a shorty helmet and minimal pads. With skiing it went from no helmet ('cause nobody made ski helmets) to everybody wearing one. Last winter I noticed a lot of the more fasion conscious bro's reverting back to the knit puff-ball hat. Except for competition, I don't know anyone who wears armour. I personally don't wear it because I really don't think I need it, it feels way too restrictive and I sweat enough without an extra inch of foam/plastic encasing my body. It may become really popular with the "five pair of boots and 20 pair of skis" crowd because it's more stuff to blow $$ on, but that's about it. Helmets actually make sense, but I think most people draw the line way before the Roboskier look.
Jer, careful, most of the folks here have 20 pairs, I have 5 and one pair of boots. OK, yes, first off there is a big difference between armor and padding, with padding, you shoudn't be able to tell your wearing them. It's not a fashion thing. Second, the Crash pads are designed and made right in Oregon, the owners are skiers who test them and use them. She has a pretty impressive list of clientele. They use a high-quality, thermal, wicking material, you use them in stead of traditional thermals. The pads are spaced enough to breathe and there shoud be no restriction of movement. The fabric is very stretchable. I had a very good conversation with the owner "Sidney". She was very cool. I will test them out and see if they are of any value to me. They are completely guarenteed. Since I dont' get the opportunity to ski 40 or more days, if this saves 1 day for me or prevents some deep bruises or raspberrys, its worth it to me. That's one of the benefits of my job/business, I have a little extra to blow on stuff!
post #40 of 53
I'm getting Butt implants on my head so I don't have to wear a helmet....

Crash Pads caught my eye cause my Bro was a co-founder. Whether they're for gapers or not is up to you- Here's some background:
My pal David got into in-line skating in the early nineties, in New York City, and like everything he does. went 110%. His friend Sheila Lehner was right there too. She'd been coaching gymnastics on, I believe (it's been a few years), an Olympic level. As they got better and better at this one fact became real clear: concrete is hard. They came up with the idea of padding shorts- especially to protect the hips and coxyx, well, butt bone.
They were doing stairs and halfpipes. Apparently long flights of stairs are best done backwards- it's actually easier and looks cooler.
Much of the development went on at Mullally skatepark in the South Bronx, where the kids were much more concerned about bullet wounds than breaking an arm or tailbone in the pipe. They started by sewing pads in bike shorts and expermented with different kinds of foam and configurations to give the most protection with the least amount of bulk and padding.
David explained that laying it in strips, contoured with the body's shape, allows the best protection from impact with a flat, hard surface. Much blood and bruising went into refining the products, but these guys were doing some amazing moves, getting huge air, and really pushing the envelope.

Like many start ups, there were ups and downs. (support your local visionaries- I got my PM Gear Bro Models all mounted up and waxed, ready for the snow- hats off to you guys who bought Bluehouse.) David went his seperate way, Sheila moved production to Oregon and has developed lines for all kinds of other sports

That's the story as I know it. The people who developed this stuff charge pretty hard. If you think what you do requires protection, by all means check this stuff and similar gear out.
post #41 of 53
My guy checked the thread and said they designed the original crash pads for impact with hard, smooth surfaces like ice and concrete. Next time I attempt a triple axel or snowboarding... He suggested that if you're planning on ragdolling down rockbands, you need something more like motocross armor...
Have fun out there kids!
post #42 of 53
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Well, you also think you can fly... I guess in your position body armor is better than a body cast later on.
I think his body armor is a consequence of bouncing down Patrolman's chute.
post #43 of 53
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I think his body armor is a consequence of bouncing down Patrolman's chute.
yeah, holy crap do I wish I was wearing some that day.... The resulting 6 stitches in my arm were located exactly where a piece of padding is located in my Aegix jacket, and my bruised kidney....there's padding back there too.

Speaking of Aegix, just this morning a FedEx box arrived with jacket & pants from their new & improved "Hux" line (integrated armor in a 20,000mm/20,000 gsm waterproof/breathable fabric, fully taped seams and the armor this year includes a hardshell spine protector...all armor is fully removable). It's pretty darn sweet and the fit of the integrated armor is amazing...I'll put up a review in a separate thread with photos.
post #44 of 53
Tyrone is the new Hux line the stuff you guys are selling on PMgear?

Also does the hood clear a helmet? I love storm skiing so this is key.
post #45 of 53
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Tyrone is the new Hux line the stuff you guys are selling on PMgear?

Also does the hood clear a helmet? I love storm skiing so this is key.
Nah...the stuff on PMgear.com is last year's A1 line (which continues to this year unchanged).

The Hux line is an improved version of the A1. I think (and I might be wrong) that the A1's waterproof/breathability was rated at 10,000 (might be 5,000 though can't remember), whereas the Hux is rated at 20,000/20,000.

There is a hood, but seems a little too small to fit over a helmet (though I haven't tried it yet).

In addition better waterproof/breathable jacket material, other improvements of the Hux over the A1 are the fully taped seams as oppossed to flaps over the zippers (hate flaps), better more sercure velcro wrist closure system to keep snow out, and the removable back protector.

I'll post up some photos for you later one when I have more time.

Aegix really needs to update their website with their new stuff!
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
Nah...the stuff on PMgear.com is last year's A1 line (which continues to this year unchanged).

The Hux line is an improved version of the A1. I think (and I might be wrong) that the A1's waterproof/breathability was rated at 10,000 (might be 5,000 though can't remember), whereas the Hux is rated at 20,000/20,000.

There is a hood, but seems a little too small to fit over a helmet (though I haven't tried it yet).

In addition better waterproof/breathable jacket material, other improvements of the Hux over the A1 are the fully taped seams as oppossed to flaps over the zippers (hate flaps), better more sercure velcro wrist closure system to keep snow out, and the removable back protector.

I'll post up some photos for you later one when I have more time.

Aegix really needs to update their website with their new stuff!

seems kinda ofweird that a company making body armor wouldnt have it work with a helmet, considering almost everybody would wear helmt before body armor.
post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
seems kinda ofweird that a company making body armor wouldnt have it work with a helmet, considering almost everybody would wear helmt before body armor.
CORRECTION - You got me curious, so I just went and grabbed my helmet and tried the jacket on. And indeed, the hood DOES fit over my helmet (a size medium Sweet).
post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
CORRECTION - You got me curious, so I just went and grabbed my helmet and tried the jacket on. And indeed, the hood DOES fit over my helmet (a size medium Sweet).
sick now get some in for PMgear so I can help you guus make skis.
post #49 of 53
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
sick now get some in for PMgear so I can help you guus make skis.
hahaha...thanks, but your honestly better off purchasing direct from Aegix. PMgear doesn't really realize much benefit off of sales of Aegix gear...it's more there to help them out and give them some exposure.

FYI - Sport Loft in Salt Lake City is a dealer near you that might have a Hux or two still in stock if you wanted to check one out first hand....
post #50 of 53
This year's Aegix line does, in fact, fit over a helmet.

A1 is also 20,000/20,000, it's the Park Rat line that's 5,000/5,000.

Sorry about not having up-to-date pictures on the site, we have a slow-moving web person. But twintipnation.com has the full line, REI.com has lots. Any local dealer questions, feel free to pm me. You can't buy direct from Aegix, though - we don't compete with our dealers. Anyway, we're mostly completely sold out of inventory!
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by yogachik View Post
This year's Aegix line does, in fact, fit over a helmet.

A1 is also 20,000/20,000, it's the Park Rat line that's 5,000/5,000.

Sorry about not having up-to-date pictures on the site, we have a slow-moving web person. But twintipnation.com has the full line, REI.com has lots. Any local dealer questions, feel free to pm me. You can't buy direct from Aegix, though - we don't compete with our dealers. Anyway, we're mostly completely sold out of inventory!
so whats the difference between Hux and A1? and also does every jacket in 07 made in 07 clear a helemt?
post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
so whats the difference between Hux and A1? and also does every jacket in 07 made in 07 clear a helemt?
A1 and Hux are completely different styles and colorways, only the fabrication is the same (and treatment of fabric). Also, Hux has an integrated spine protector.

A1 is an 07 suit, Hux is 08. We made A1 again, since it continues to be so popular, but it will be tweaked for 09.
post #53 of 53
thanks for the clarifications YC!
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