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Risk of buying without demoing - Fischer Progressor

post #1 of 18
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By knowing the following facts, am I taking too big of a risk in buying a pair of Fischer Progressors @ 170.

I already own and thoroughly enjoy the Rx8's in 165, and am looking for more stability at high speed with longer radius turns than the RX8s currently supply 's me (Not saying I can't do longer turns in RX8's - but wanting a ski with a little less sidecut).
post #2 of 18

For more stability at High Speed I would go for a race

GS ski. I am 181cm tall and can ski up to 188cm in a GS Race ski but
for actual racing I would go for 177cm nothing less. They are good all mtn
skis as well but not for bumps powder or deep crud
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by muja2 View Post
By knowing the following facts, am I taking too big of a risk in buying a pair of Fischer Progressors @ 170.

I already own and thoroughly enjoy the Rx8's in 165, and am looking for more stability at high speed with longer radius turns than the RX8s currently supply 's me (Not saying I can't do longer turns in RX8's - but wanting a ski with a little less sidecut).
I really don't think you can go wrong with a 170cm Progressor. They are very good skis and a lot of people have raved about their performance. i have never skied them, but I would consider buying a pair without skiing them if I were in your same position. I don't think that a ski like the Progressor is something that you will ever get on and be disappointed with. If you are truly looking for a long turn carver, you could consider going up one size though - but that will depend on the turn size/shape versatility you're looking to have.

Later

GREG
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by muja2 View Post
By knowing the following facts, am I taking too big of a risk in buying a pair of Fischer Progressors @ 170.

I already own and thoroughly enjoy the Rx8's in 165, and am looking for more stability at high speed with longer radius turns than the RX8s currently supply 's me (Not saying I can't do longer turns in RX8's - but wanting a ski with a little less sidecut).
I agree with Greg. I have the RX8 and the Worldcup SC and until last spring had the Worldcup RC. The Progressor should be the perfect blend of all of these skis. Quick & easy to turn like the RX8 & WC SC, stable with plenty of edgegrip like the Worldcup RC. Only mogul performance will suffer, compared to the RX8.

I have not been on the Progressor yet, but I doubt you would be disappointed. If you are larger than 180 lbs, consider the 175cm for added stability.


Michael
post #5 of 18
Fischer knows how to build this category of ski about as well as anyone on the planet. I have skied the Progressor in 175 and thought it was terrific for what you are describing. I'm 5-10, 188# and an old L-8 skier with a far distant racing and ski teaching background.

SJ
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Fischer knows how to build this category of ski about as well as anyone on the planet. I have skied the Progressor in 175 and thought it was terrific for what you are describing. I'm 5-10, 188# and an old L-8 skier with a far distant racing and ski teaching background.

SJ
I haven't skied the Fischer Progressor but as a long time Fischer Fan I share Sierra Jim's views about Fischer's ability to produce high quality skis. You may also want to check out the RX-9. It's gone from Fischer's line up this season but debuted at the same time as the RX-8 and garnered a lot of "best ski in test" awards. Construction is about identical to the RX-8 but with sidecut of 110-69--96 a radius of 17m at 170cm. The only change has been that last season Fischer tweaked the advertised waist from 69mm to 70mm.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
post #7 of 18
I rarely get to demo skis I buy. I tend to buy a lot of "out West" skis, and the dealers here in MN tend to stick with shorter, thinner skis than I am into these days. I know it's a big risk, but I usually stick with a few brands of skis, and have a pretty good idea of how the ski will act based on that. I really do my homework on all sides other than the demo side otherwise. It's pretty much a matter of sidecut and build after that. I don't recommend buying skis that way, but it's worked well for ME. YMMV. I've only been disappointed with one ski so far - the Atomic M:EX. Great ski, but it wasn't really made for what I wanted it to do. It was a long way from a big mountain moderate powder ski. Great for gromers and crub though. Very powerful, but not really for off-piste. That was one time where either the reviews led me astray, or I read into them and heard what I wanted to hear, not what was "real".
post #8 of 18
A friend who works at a ski shop and gets a new pair of Fischers every season has skied RX8s for at least the past three seasons. This year, he is switching to the Pogressor. Sounds like you aren't the only one making this change.
post #9 of 18
You'll never know unless you demo. I just can't believe that people buy expensive skis based on verbal descriptions, no matter how well intentioned.
post #10 of 18

Fisher Progressor

Go ahead and buy it!!! Terrific ski, its last years World Cup RC (Race Cruiser) with a bit larger footprint:

Progressor 117 - 70 - 100
World Cup RC 112 - 66 - 96

Both have a radius of 16m in 175 cm. This is NOT a GS ski, its based on GS but with a lot smaller radius 16M versus 21 required for GS. Its very nimble and awesome on the ice, extremely stable on high speeds - all and all East Skiing. It hates bumps (very stiff) and slush.
post #11 of 18
Most of the time I'd say Demo, but sometimes a ski is just so phenomenal, you just aren't taking that big of a risk to jump in with both feet and buy!
post #12 of 18
If buying to replace, and you are happy with the RX8 except for higher speeds and turn radius, why not just get the WC RC?

If buying to add to the quiver, I would look for a longer-still radius, RC4 WC GS.

If, on the other hand you want to replace the RX8 with a slightly wider footprint, more stability at speed and a middle of the road radius, then the progressor is your ski. You'll get a little more float at the expense of a slightly less quick response and little more load on the outside of the ankles if you do a lot of high angle turns on hardpack.

Edit: I skied the RX8 and own the WC SC. The 165 WC SC is very stable at speeds in terms of vibration control. The 13-m side cut means it will hunt for turns like any shaped ski if you straight-line with it though. Also, like any shaped ski you won't be making a pure carve "on rails" at speeds over about 25 mph unless your cm is taking the shortcut through the skis tracks, but then if you want to pure carve 60 mph turns you will need an old-school SG ski (which I also own) or some DH boards.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 

Bought the progressor and not looking back

A while ago, I posted the question to the forum about buying the Fischer progressors with out demoing them. Well a few weeks ago after evaluating all the replies (many thanks to all who posted their thoughts here), I went ahead and bought a pair at 170cm.

Last weekend - [Location, Ruka, Finland] - I managed my first run on them and boy was I a happy skier. Never before was I able to put a new (unknown) pair of skis on my feet and start ripping after only three 'warm-up' turns. These skis just made me feel as though I had ultimate control no matter what I was doing or trying. Not once did I feel like 'ok, now I better take my foot off'. I never did find the speed limit either.... the more I put in, the more it wanted.

I spent three full days skiing (groomed slopes and some really heavily iced runs - intermediate/difficult). Usually when a run is icy I don't bother going for a second dose because it's just way too much hard work when all you are doing is trying to keep the speed down and not fly off the hill. Well with the progrssors on, I didn't care too much about that either. It was still demanding but never did I think I was losing control.

In one other case (not recommended in any book), there was an SL course on the right side of the run and I decided to follow one racer (Russain and Latvian World Cup team were practicing that weekend) down following him turn for turn along side him on the 'open' part of the hill (they closed off the SL practice part). It goes without saying that I managed to stay with him because I didn't have the gates to determine nor the need to slow down get around the SL poles. The funny thing was that I was watching him as I was going down and not caring at all for the terrain I was skiing on myself (it was an almost empty slope ahead so no danger to others ahead). On my RX8s previously I would have had to keep an eye on where I was going to make sure I didn't get into any suprises. With the progressors, I felt almost super human in that nothing was deflecting these skis away from there chosen path.... Great Skis I'm soo happy
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by muja2 View Post
By knowing the following facts, am I taking too big of a risk in buying a pair of Fischer Progressors @ 170.

I already own and thoroughly enjoy the Rx8's in 165, and am looking for more stability at high speed with longer radius turns than the RX8s currently supply 's me (Not saying I can't do longer turns in RX8's - but wanting a ski with a little less sidecut).
We are talking a pair of skis that cost around 500 bucks...not taking your whole lifes savings and putting it on "black". I mean really, how bad of a decision can this be???
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by muja2 View Post
A while ago, I posted the question to the forum about buying the Fischer progressors with out demoing them.

Last weekend - [Location, Ruka, Finland] - I managed my first run on them and boy was I a happy skier. Never before was I able to put a new (unknown) pair of skis on my feet and start ripping after only three 'warm-up' turns. These skis just made me feel as though I had ultimate control no matter what I was doing or trying. Not once did I feel like 'ok, now I better take my foot off'. I never did find the speed limit either.... the more I put in, the more it wanted.


With the progressors, I felt almost super human in that nothing was deflecting these skis away from there chosen path.... Great Skis I'm soo happy
Great!
Gotta love it when a leap of faith pays off!!
Your post almost looks like a great review of the skis. Maybe you should post up a review here!!
post #16 of 18
I purchased a pair of Fischer Progressors in 175cm without demoing, I'm somewhat nervious about my decission. The guys at my local shop demoed the ski and all most all still favored the Worldcup RC. They say the Progressor takes some getting used to and was kind of hit or miss in their performance. I sold my beloved RC's in 175cm which I loved, I do have a new pair of 180's in the wrapper however from last year. I also have a pair of RX8's and also picked up a pair of 08 Chip Supershapes on Ebay (Cheap!) which are wider wasted like the Progressor. I have some sorting out to do when we get some snow in the Mid-West!
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
We are talking a pair of skis that cost around 500 bucks...not taking your whole lifes savings and putting it on "black". I mean really, how bad of a decision can this be???
Well Phil, there were a bunch of factors here - below are a few.
1. Telling my ski buddies that I think I am on a winner here with a new pair of skis
2. Don't want to invest 500 for something I wouldn't like or use - what a waste that would be.
3. You can't put value on darn good skiing day when your equip is working just the way you want.

1. - I can only imagine the pffs and fafs they would make if I showed up with a par of planks that simply didn't do what I was boasting about the whole summer.

2. - Thinking more about wasted skiing time also

3. - speaks for itself.

Trekchick, you're right it might be useful for others if I share my experience. I'll rewrite and clean up my post a little and put it on the gear reviews section.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
We are talking a pair of skis that cost around 500 bucks...not taking your whole lifes savings and putting it on "black". I mean really, how bad of a decision can this be???
$500 for Progessors? :
Man, I need to get connections like yours! :
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