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10/21/07 at 9:01am
Whoa, where do I sign up? I need to see that up close and personal someday.
The info that follows came primarily from this thread on epicski.com :
These steepness statistics were offered by a poster named Powdr, he gets any credit (or blame) due. I believe he is some kind of geographic info systems analyst and used Google Earth to derive the degree of steepness for what he perceived to be the steepest stretch with over a couple hundred yards length on well known ski trails around the country. The list started with Eastern trails, but then stats were added on a sampling of terrain from all around the country. Sorry, the runs are listed in somewhat random order. I've done a little editing in my compilation, hopefully not introducing errors. He tried to pick the steepest section he could find on each run, as long as it was over 500' in length, but I wouldn't call the process/stats definitive. They may make for fun discussion/speculation though. Note: these are in degrees, not percent.
Ovation at Killington (24 degrees, actually):
Paradise at MRG - 32.5 degrees
Tramline at Cannon - 28.1 degrees
White Nitro, Sugarloaf - 29.5 degree
Starr @ Stowe - 31.1 degrees
Castle Rock @ Sugarbush - 21.3 degrees
Whiteface Slides @ whiteface - 36.3 degrees
Denton Hill's (PA) triple diamond run - 27.7 degrees
Goat @ Stowe - 33.6 degrees
Robin's Run @ Smuggs - 29.8 degrees
Outer Limits @ Killington - 28.5 degrees
Devils Fiddle @ Killington - 25 degrees
Ripcord @ Mt. Snow - 27.4 degrees
Tuckerman's Ravine, NH (steepest I could find) - 45.3 degrees (damm!)
Dynamite @ Tremblant - 28 degrees
Black Hole @ Smuggs - 31.0 degrees
Ovation (lower section) @ Killington - 30.7 degrees
KT-22 East Chutes @ Squaw - 41 degrees
Huevos Grande @ Mammoth - 52.3 degrees (wicked steep)
51-50 @ PCMR - 47.9 degrees (and everyone says PCMR isn't steep)
Main Baldy Chute @ Alta - 44 degrees (but it's a dry steep)
Extrovert @ Blue Knob - 28.5 degrees
High Rustler @ Alta - 44.3 degrees
Great Scott @ Snowbird - 46.5 degrees
Upper Cirque @ Snowbird - 40.5 degrees
Peruvian @ Snowbird - 32.9 degrees
Under Powderhorn lift @ Solitude - 42.8 degrees
Under 9990 @ The Canyons - 29 degrees
Square Top @ The Canyons - 41.0 degrees
Upper Big Emma (Green Run!) @ Snowbird - 25.3 degrees!
Rumble @ Sugarbush - 27.9 degrees
Pitch Pine @ King Pine - 21.1 Degrees
Tuckerman Ravine Routes:
1 - 38.7 degrees
2 - 44.0 degrees
3 - 44.6 degrees
4 - 48.1 degrees
5 - 48.3 degrees
6 - 46.8 degrees
7 - 43.5 degrees
8 - 42.8 degrees
9 - 31.4 degrees
10- 30.3 degrees
Lower Wildcat @ Laurel Mountain (PA) - 28.1 degrees
Tower Three Chute @ JH - 43.1 degrees
Blowhole (Whistler/Blackcomb) - couldn't find it on the map
Rumor @ Gore - 28.9 degrees
Gunbarrel @ Heavenly, on the steepest pitch (a 136' section) is 31.6 degrees.
Palisades @ Squaw - 45.5 degrees (steepest section I could find - 205' long)
In honor of doggiedoc - A photo of Huevos Grande @ Mammoth Mountain, CA:
This has got to be home of the steepest lines in the East (Chic Chocs). Good glaciation and deep snowpack. Gotta get out there sometime.
Great Post! No one has mentioned Freefall or the Black hole at Smuggler's notch. They run adjacent to each other and are advertised as having sections at 53 degrees. I have skied both and can attest to their steepness.
Originally Posted by Patrick
I found this in an old Powder mag (Oct. 89).'The Raddest Runs in the East' by David Goodman (in search of the steepest run in the east). Great article.
Here are the stats from the article:
Name,(where), lenght, vertical drop, average width, Steepness (Steepest/avg in degree), snowmaking, groomed (numbers by ski areas)
Paradise (MRG), 1600ft, 750ft, 50ft, 45+/33, No, No
Goat (stowe), 3900ft, 1300ft, 45ft, 38/20, N, N
Starr (Stowe), 4600ft, 1650ft, 80ft, 38/20, N, N
National (Stowe), 5700ft, 1700ft, 135ft, 36/17, Y,Y
Liftline(Stowe), 5400ft, 2000ft, 115ft, 35/21, Y,Y
Outer Limits(K), 2853ft, 1215, 250, 31/21, Y,half
White Heat(Sunday R),3550, 1500, 200, 31/21, Y,half
Avalanche(cannon), 2600ft, 1000ft, 250, 25/20, Y,Y
STEEPS AND S SYSTEM
In Goodman's (Backcountry Skiing Maine/NH), there is a abbreviated version of the S System Ratings of slopes. For Mount Washington, it has:
S3: Slopes up to 35 degrees, equivalent to an expert run at a ski area(...) East Snowfields.
S4: Slopes between 35 and 45 degrees. Falling may be dangerous. Avalanche hazard of route must be evaluated. (...) Gulf of Slides, Oakes and Great Gulfs, in Tucks (Right Gully, Lobster Claw, Hillmans, Lower Snowfields and Little Headwall).
S5: Slopes between 45 and 55 degrees. Injury may result from falling. Multiple terrain obstacles present, including narrows, rocks and trees. Tucks (Lip, Left Gully, Chute, Center Headwall, Sluice, Dodge's Drop and Duchess).
I would judge the last two as much harder and actually scary. I love the comments he has for the S6 and S7.
The S system currently tops out with the following two grades. Routes of this severity exist in the Northeast, but are not included in this book. If you can ski or ride at this level, you know where to go.
S6 - Slopes continuously over 55 degrees.Extreme terrain. Rope work may be necessary. In all likelihood, "If you fall, you die."
S7 - Slopes over 60 degrees. Looks dead vertical to most people, and most people would look dead if they tried it. You need a pilot's license to get down".
53% not degrees...which brings me to the above list quoted. I agree that was great work, but some of those numbers would be different if mesured in people and not via Google Earth.
I've skied and mesure the Slides (WF) and top Paradise (MRG), don't recall exactly what they were, but I think it was around 45deg. Remember mesuring Chute in Tuck and that was 52deg.
Here what I said a long time ago about Steepness and Eastern Run. It includes information from a old Powder mag + Goodman book.
Just looked at those numbers and I guess Powdr isn't far if he using the average steepness for Paradies at MRG.
That looks awesome: really the first shots I've seen of stuff in the east that looks western-steep. How often does that get enough snow to open and how aggressive are they about opening it?