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What bindings are these? (New p12/turntable)

post #1 of 11
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I was looking for some new bindings last night and happened to find some new Look p12s with turntable heels. The seller (on ebay) claims these are 2007 from the racing line. I had a hard time finding out any additional information online, but bought a couple pair anyways because the price was decent.

They appear to have the same toe as the Axials, but with the oldstyle heel. Somewhat similar to the FKS 120, maybe. Any ideas? Picture below...

post #2 of 11
Look to be early 2000's vintage, but I don't know if they've started to re-manufacture these again...

Edit: Upon further inspection, these look like p-18's...

http://www.untracked.com/p1691c81b97..._bindings.html
post #3 of 11
It's not a P18. Look at the toe, it has separate toe wings, The P18 is solid. It's a race binding (true turntable heel ala P18/ FKS), if the DIN goes to 12 it's a P12.
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
It's not a P18. Look at the toe, it has separate toe wings, The P18 is solid. It's a race binding (true turntable heel ala P18/ FKS), if the DIN goes to 12 it's a P12.
This was my impression. I think the race p18/p14 are the same as/similar to the rossi fks 185/155 with the solid toe, while the race p12 is similar to the rossi fks 120, which I believe has the releasable toe. I'm assuming the toe is similar to the px/axial series.

Because I'm totally clueless about this heel (because I got back into skiing after it went out of mass prod), how does the release mechanism compare to the new axial heel.

I know this heel pivots, but what happens on the heel release in the axials?
post #5 of 11
I saw those on ebay and I thought they were overpriced, especially since I wasn't sure what they are.

I wondered if they're a junior race binding since they have a DIN of only 12. Look may have made an adult race binding with 12 DIN but I'm not personally familiar with it.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
They were approximately the same price as new axial2/scratch, and the guy takes returns, so at worst I'm out $12 shipping. You never know.

You might be right about them being sold as Jr race bindings, but it seems they are nearly the same design as FKS 155/185 (albeit different toe, and possibly plastic, we'll see).

I ski at 9 anyways...
post #7 of 11
it's a 12DIN turntable used for lightweight FIS skiers and juniors it is an adult binding in every sense of the word
remember that DIN 8 on LOOKs is like DIN 12 on everybody elses bindings (DIN 16 on markers)
and yes they did a run of those for the race department the last couple o years (no longer now they have the plates worked out for the PX)
oh yeah, if you are mounting them on anything wider than 78-80mm you will have to do some bending of the brakes, and before you ask no you can't buy wide brakes for them....

the turntable is dead, long live the turntable....
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
it's a 12DIN turntable used for lightweight FIS skiers and juniors it is an adult binding in every sense of the word
remember that DIN 8 on LOOKs is like DIN 12 on everybody elses bindings (DIN 16 on markers)
and yes they did a run of those for the race department the last couple o years (no longer now they have the plates worked out for the PX)
oh yeah, if you are mounting them on anything wider than 78-80mm you will have to do some bending of the brakes, and before you ask no you can't buy wide brakes for them....

the turntable is dead, long live the turntable....
Thanks, I was prepared to figure out the brake bending. May turn out to be a decent purchase, I guess...

I hate to start the usual war about DINs, but I thought DIN was DIN, regardless of manufacturers. I do realize that there are differences in the elasticity or lack there of, in the case of markers.
post #9 of 11
The turntable heel (that style) is the best heel piece ever made. Almost never prereleases, yet is super smooth and painless when it does release, almost to the point that its hard to notice. If the din range is what you want, I'd buy em.
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
Trigger pulled on 2 pair. Now I just need to figure out how to get one pair bent out to fit...
post #11 of 11
FWIW-These look identical in structure to my Rossi FKS 120 Race bindings. Manufacture date 11/05/2005. Retail price $319.00. I use a piece of old ski pole cut off as a "farmers helper" to bend out the brakes.
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