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Not sure about sizing my ski's 175's or 182's?

post #1 of 21
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Being from Chicago, it hasn't been much of an issue in the past. Even if I've had ski's that aren't proper length, the skiing in this area is fairly easy and at my level it's difficult to notice how much is me vs the gear.

I'm a mid level skier. Been on the slopes since I was a kid, now 28, and went to Colorado my first time ever last year. It was enough for me to buy a season pass this year and tag along with a group of guys I know who go once a month. While my conditioning was probably the biggest problem, some of the guys said that it wasn't all conditioning and form...they mentioned that I had pretty cheap skis and on some of the runs we did on the back bowls at Vail, it would make a pretty big difference.

So this year in my quest for ski's I found some new Volkl Allstars, but I'm not sure if I should go for the 175's or 182's. I'm 6' 3" and an athletic 230-240 and intermediate level. I do mostly groomed runs but might venture off once or twice on something with a little bit of powder, but very rarely. Any suggestions? Also the ski's come with Ipt motion 12 bindings. Those work for my weight and level? Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 21
I'm your size and I would suggest the 175cm. These skis are biased for on-piste skiing and not the ideal ski for the back bowls of Vail. The 182cm size will require higher speeds before they begin to perform as intended. The 175cm is more useful IMO.

I would consider the Head Monster 82 in a 183cm. This ski will be good to use regardless of if your skiing groomed conditions or on deeper off-piste snow.

Michael
post #3 of 21
I'd say 182. You won't hate the 175 either though.
post #4 of 21
I'd get to a good bootfitter and get boots dialed in first! This is far more important than the skis...Theres a list on this site that will point you in the right direction.

As for skis, the Allstars aren't really a relaxed ski, but at your size you should be able to bend them, but you'll be concentrating more on determining whats going on w/the ski rather than your skiing...Not the best fit for you at this stage.

I'd look more at relaxed "easy expert" type carving skis...Ones that'll ski just fine at low speeds but can handle some hauling as well and be forgiving of your learning mistakes. Also look for something that'll be good at all turn shapes, especially at your stage as you should be learning/working on all types of turn shapes.

As for size, it really depends on the brand/model of ski you end up with...What works in one size wont in another model of ski. Generally, at your size, you'll probably be looking towards the longer scale in whatever brand/model ski you look at.

I'd recommend something like the Rossignol Zenith Z5, or Z9, in a 176cm...Very forgiving, confidence inspiring ski that'll handle all turn shapes and a wide speed range. Also look at the Rossi B2 (blue and white top sheet) in a 182.

There's tons more, but I'm sure many others (hopefully SierraJim) will chime in as well.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Ok, good advice and something to consider. And I agree, I'd like to hear more responses. I thought the Allstars would be somewhat forgiving. I'm not a bad skier by any means and generally ski pretty safe and middle of the road lines. Now the group of guys I go with are all racers and ski patrol...so on that trip I did do a number of runs behind them that I'd consider faster than normal.
post #6 of 21
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I did get a suggestion from another guy who travels the world in search of good powder and he was trying to push me towards the Rossignol B4's. I'm wondering if that turn radius would be a little big for what I'm looking for?
post #7 of 21
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I did get a suggestion from another guy who travels the world in search of good powder and he was trying to push me towards the Rossignol B4's. I'm wondering if that turn radius would be a little big for what I'm looking for?
Not sure if your interested or you allready have the allstars but i am currently selling my 06/07 model for 390.00$ plus buyer would pay shipping. Here is the link incase you are interestd.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...480#post775480
post #8 of 21
i would second Barrett, the Head i.M82 may be a better more versatile choice.
post #9 of 21
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I did get a suggestion from another guy who travels the world in search of good powder and he was trying to push me towards the Rossignol B4's. I'm wondering if that turn radius would be a little big for what I'm looking for?

No, the B4's aren't the way to go...Great ski, but they are too soft/wide for a guy your size/level to be used as a groomer ski 90% of the time. I think you'd be very unhappy w/this ski given your criteria for its use. Would be a great choice as a powder/soft snow ski in addition to a front side carver oriented ski, if you were thinking about starting a quiver.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
i would second Barrett, the Head i.M82 may be a better more versatile choice.
Looks like the Rossignol B3's are similar to the i.M82's too.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by BIGGY View Post
Looks like the Rossignol B3's are similar to the i.M82's too.

Yes, and one of my personal favorites (I have two pairs)...This would be a pretty solid choice as well. Go for the 176cm, if you go this route.

I'm 5'10", 200lbs, level 7-8 skier. I have both the 184 and the 176. I love the 184's, but tend to ski the 176's more...The 176's are just slightly less stable/float than the 184's, but are more usefull as an everyday ski, especially on the groomed and bumps. In fact, I only ski'd the 184 once last season mainly because I have other "all mountain" skis in that length/size that I like better (Atomic Snoop Daddy 185).

Actually, I spend most days on my Armada ANT's (191cm long, 106mm waste and very stiff), but I would never recommend it to someone w/your criteria.
post #12 of 21
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Yes, and one of my personal favorites (I have two pairs)...This would be a pretty solid choice as well. Go for the 176cm, if you go this route.

I'm 5'10", 200lbs, level 7-8 skier. I have both the 184 and the 176. I love the 184's, but tend to ski the 176's more...The 176's are just slightly less stable/float than the 184's, but are more usefull as an everyday ski, especially on the groomed and bumps. In fact, I only ski'd the 184 once last season mainly because I have other "all mountain" skis in that length/size that I like better (Atomic Snoop Daddy 185).

Actually, I spend most days on my Armada ANT's (191cm long, 106mm waste and very stiff), but I would never recommend it to someone w/your criteria.
You don't think that having my height and weight over you that I'm better off with the 184's? It would seem like they might be a better match, but I'm simply comparing 6'3" and 230-240ish.
post #13 of 21
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You don't think that having my height and weight over you that I'm better off with the 184's? It would seem like they might be a better match, but I'm simply comparing 6'3" and 230-240ish.
I am 6'4 240, and i ski the volkl supersports allstars, and i find them to be perfect. I ski the same type of conditions you do and i absolutly love them. Im also selling them if youd would be interested.
Edit: I ski these in a 175 length
post #14 of 21
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You don't think that having my height and weight over you that I'm better off with the 184's? It would seem like they might be a better match, but I'm simply comparing 6'3" and 230-240ish.
I'm firmly in the 230-240 club (and also from Chicago).

a 184 is great if you consistently ski at higher speeds, but the ski will be a handful at normal speeds and will be a little exhausting to use overall.

There are many midfats that can do it all. Considering that we as visiting skiers traveling out-west, we are better off with a versatile ski that can be used anywhere and in any conditions, the Allstar is a little too specialized IMO.

Michael
post #15 of 21
The Allstars are a powerful ski and would best suit you in a 175. I skied them last year in that length and really enjoyed them. While not known as an off-piste ski, I had the similar 6-Stars out in thigh and waist deep powder. (its really easy to find DEEP pow with a ski this narrow ) The strength of the Allstars is the carving power and longer turn radius. It is a true 90% on-piste ski. If you wanted something wider that could open more off-piste terrain but that still has the carving power, I might suggest something like the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous, Volkl AC3 or AC4 and the Head Monster 78 or 82. All are good choices and stout skis for us bigger guys.
post #16 of 21
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I'm firmly in the 230-240 club (and also from Chicago).

a 184 is great if you consistently ski at higher speeds, but the ski will be a handful at normal speeds and will be a little exhausting to use overall.

There are many midfats that can do it all. Considering that we as visiting skiers traveling out-west, we are better off with a versatile ski that can be used anywhere and in any conditions, the Allstar is a little too specialized IMO.

Michael
What he said. And also consider that I'm probably a more aggressive, stronger skier and am more comfortable w/higher speeds than you currently are (I ski backcountry, all over the mountain, all conditions and I'm a volunteer patrol candidate)...Also, two season ago I weighed 235+lbs (gotta love having a personal trainer as your best friend). So, my recommendation was taking all of the your criteria, including size/weight, into consideration when recommending the 176...Could you ski the 184? Absolutely, but the 176 would be a lot more fun, overall, for you and you'd progress faster on that vs. the 184.
post #17 of 21
I'd save the upfront big bucks and demo a few different skis on a trip to Colo.

Why spend hundreds on something that might not be exactly what you want when you can spend $30-40 to demo various models and find something that you'll totally love.

demo, baby, demo! (there's tons of shops near/around Vail where you can more than likely do a demo package that allows for you to swap out skis all day and try anywhere from 3-6 pairs). Totally worth it.

My 2 cents on what to look for would be something between 87 and 99mm at the waist. Something like the Mantra, Rossi B4, Rossi B3, Rossi Scratch BC, old Karma...something in this range will be good both on the frontside and the back and be a pretty decent 1-ski quiver.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
What he said. And also consider that I'm probably a more aggressive, stronger skier and am more comfortable w/higher speeds than you currently are (I ski backcountry, all over the mountain, all conditions and I'm a volunteer patrol candidate)...Also, two season ago I weighed 235+lbs (gotta love having a personal trainer as your best friend). So, my recommendation was taking all of the your criteria, including size/weight, into consideration when recommending the 176...Could you ski the 184? Absolutely, but the 176 would be a lot more fun, overall, for you and you'd progress faster on that vs. the 184.
Actually, I am a personal trainer I'm mostly upper body muscle mass, but my legs are big too, so while I continue lifting my weight will stay in that range. Once powerlifting season comes around I jump up to around 260-270 to compete in a higher weight class, but cut down once I no longer need to go with all powerlifts. From here on out, I think I'll stick to the 230 range and probably get down to my ideal of 220 eventually (hopefully).
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
I'd save the upfront big bucks and demo a few different skis on a trip to Colo.

Why spend hundreds on something that might not be exactly what you want when you can spend $30-40 to demo various models and find something that you'll totally love.

demo, baby, demo! (there's tons of shops near/around Vail where you can more than likely do a demo package that allows for you to swap out skis all day and try anywhere from 3-6 pairs). Totally worth it.

My 2 cents on what to look for would be something between 87 and 99mm at the waist. Something like the Mantra, Rossi B4, Rossi B3, Rossi Scratch BC, old Karma...something in this range will be good both on the frontside and the back and be a pretty decent 1-ski quiver.
What's a 1 ski quiver?
post #20 of 21
well, if you didn't want to shell out the $$$ for a frontside AND a backside ski, then a 1-ski quiver (which is really an oxymoron since a quiver implies more than 1) would be the way to go...i.e. a ski with a "mid-fat" (mid-80mm to mid-90mm...78-98 range) waist that is medium stiff and able to grip hardpack decently and float the fluff decently, thus giving you a 1-ski quiver (a ski that can handle frontside and backside decently...some would call this an "all mountain", but that definition has changed over the years especially with the shift to wider waists as everyday skis).

personally i'd go the demo route if you're going to be making multiple trips to Colo. Demo the first few times out and then you'll get an idea of what's out there and what you are vibing on. then you can start looking for mid-season deals.

you've been given some good suggestions--B3, iM82--so you have a place to start.

post #21 of 21
Your size suggests the longer ski, but your ability level suggests the shorter ski. From a developmental standpoint, I'd suggest the shorter length.

However......your ability level suggests a somewhat different ski. There are very good skis that would support your weight and not be as demanding as the All Stars. In the narrower waisted genre, I'd suggest you look around for an Atomic Izor 9.7 or Nordica SUV 12.1 (both in the range of 177-178) If you wish to add a little bit of width to enhance soft snow performance at some small sacrifice in edge to edge response, I'd nominate the Nordica Nitrous, also in a 178.

SJ
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