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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by Kevin M View Post
What would be a good ski for an advanced 24 year old female, in good physical shape, 5'3" weighing about 110-115 lbs, primarily north eastern skier? She is a lifetime skier as well.

Any recommendations on last years skis or this years skis would be a huge help!

Thanks!
Get her on some Volant V2 Vertex Golds. A winner of a ski from all I've read. From '05 on, they are the Atomic remake which has a narrower waist (66mm) than the original Volant design (68mm waist), and the same footprint as the Atomic SX 11, but with the hardest steel cap of any Volant I think. Great carvers (among other things) by repute. Plus they are really pretty.
post #32 of 52

Bridge

Yeah I'm gonna go for 177s. I figure the extra length with the wider waist should be alright until its really deep. I'll try to pick up a pair when I head back to Breck beginning of Nov. I already sold my 169's so I'm that much closer! :
post #33 of 52
Madeline had a big improvement in her comfort level and confidence on her 164 im88s the end of last season. It seemed to be versatile enough to cover every day in the SW PA areas. Her other favorite from demoing was a 164 Metron 11 B5.

I still think the big problem with womens skis is lenght. The lengths on womens skis are just too short, especially with the forward mount points. Madeline is pretty small at 5'1" and skis with a rather nonagressive manner. She was able to ski the 175 im88 just fine, but she did have to use more speed than she likes. The point being that a taller woman who was even more aggressive, would prosper on the 175 length. But if you go into a ski shop to demo the first thing she would get handed to her was a 150cm ski. Where we were at down in 7Springs they don't even hardly have womens skis available to demo in lengths of 165cm.
post #34 of 52
I wanted to add the Volkl Attiva 5 Star to the list of women specific skis that are a good all mountain ski. I mainly ski in Michigan, and it handles all of our conditions quite nicely. It's pretty fun to carve with too.

I ski the 161 and wish that I had gone even shorter. I'm 5'8" and 130lbs.
post #35 of 52
Demo shops have to invest their money in ski lengths that the customers want to ski on...not sizes that they don't.

Ski length is personal and a preference. My sorta SO is 5-2" 140# and her preferred length in everything is 172 (she's a former PSIA L-3) OTH........Katie, my midweek ski bud is 5-9 155# former college athlete and about a L-7 skier. She rips it on the groomers but is not yet a charger in the gnar. She loves skis in the 162-164 range. She knows what she likes and would flat out laugh at somebody that tried to sell her a 175.

Both are right, as they know what they like, but I think Katie is closer to the norm.

SJ
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Madeline had a big improvement in her comfort level and confidence on her 164 im88s the end of last season. It seemed to be versatile enough to cover every day in the SW PA areas. Her other favorite from demoing was a 164 Metron 11 B5.

I still think the big problem with womens skis is lenght. The lengths on womens skis are just too short, especially with the forward mount points. Madeline is pretty small at 5'1" and skis with a rather nonagressive manner. She was able to ski the 175 im88 just fine, but she did have to use more speed than she likes. The point being that a taller woman who was even more aggressive, would prosper on the 175 length. But if you go into a ski shop to demo the first thing she would get handed to her was a 150cm ski. Where we were at down in 7Springs they don't even hardly have womens skis available to demo in lengths of 165cm.
This may have been the case in the past, but the women's skis have really stepped up.

I ski longer than most women, (170 ish)can and DO ski on my husband's skis occasionally and I have no problem finding women skis in lengths I like.

I was told by the Elan Rep that The Elan Wave spice skis long and I should go down a size and he was absolutely correct.
Another ski, I may choose to go to a 170-175.
They are out there if you open your mind!
And they are getting more awesome for the advanced/expert female skier!!
I'm glad I took a second look.
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Demo shops have to invest their money in ski lengths that the customers want to ski on...not sizes that they don't.

Ski length is personal and a preference. My sorta SO is 5-2" 140# and her preferred length in everything is 172 (she's a former PSIA L-3) OTH........Katie, my midweek ski bud is 5-9 155# former college athlete and about a L-7 skier. She rips it on the groomers but is not yet a charger in the gnar. She loves skis in the 162-164 range. She knows what she likes and would flat out laugh at somebody that tried to sell her a 175.

Both are right, as they know what they like, but I think Katie is closer to the norm.

SJ
That is exactly the problem though, SJ. If the girl in question wants to be on a 175cm womens ski and the longest model available for demo is 165cm, she won't demo and won't buy the womens ski. So the shop sees that no one buys the 175 and then once again doesn't offer to demo it. And then when someone comes in and asks for the 175 to demo they tell her she is crazy because no one buys that size and it is far too big for her, and they are the experts so they know very well blah, blah, blah.
post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Madeline is pretty small at 5'1" and skis with a rather nonagressive manner. She was able to ski the 175 im88 just fine, but she did have to use more speed than she likes.
5'1" on a 175cm IM88? Yowzer!
post #39 of 52
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5'1" on a 175cm IM88? Yowzer!
I dont think that optimal for miss tromano but she can ski it, 165 is reasonable for sure.

Just come up to LCC where some of girls testerone gets the best of them, yes the girls testerone. you think my friend kristen is weird at 5'3 and on 176 you havent seen the tall girls skiing 190cm and such.

Up here everyone skis long skis because of the competive additude towards powder skiing. The guy or the girl with the biggest widest skis get the most fresh snow. If your on sub 170cm carver good luck while the hoards track the place out while you a do a couple runs then get tired because you had to all that "work".
post #40 of 52
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Up here everyone skis long skis because of the competive additude towards powder skiing. The guy or the girl with the biggest widest skis get the most fresh snow.
What does that have to do with the OPs request for skis that will be used mainly in the NE?
post #41 of 52
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What does that have to do with the OPs request for skis that will be used mainly in the NE?
nothing what did you quote of miss tromano skiing 175cm HEads having anything to do with the OP:P.

btw we now have 2 girls looking for help now
post #42 of 52
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5'1" on a 175cm IM88? Yowzer!
Yea she is too small for that ski... She only tried it becuase of limitations in terms of what skis were available to demo. All they had was the 175 that day. But it did get her to ski faster . And once she tried the 175 she knew the 164 was the correct size for her.
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
That is exactly the problem though, SJ. If the girl in question wants to be on a 175cm womens ski and the longest model available for demo is 165cm, she won't demo and won't buy the womens ski. So the shop sees that no one buys the 175 and then once again doesn't offer to demo it. And then when someone comes in and asks for the 175 to demo they tell her she is crazy because no one buys that size and it is far too big for her, and they are the experts so they know very well blah, blah, blah.
I know it's a problem but nobody can be all things to all people....just can't do it. Heck I carry 10 brands of skis. With over 1000 pr in stock at any given time, I still get calls very occasionally for a model I don't have or one of the two semi-major brands that I don't carry. You just can't do it all. FWIW....the sales curve on Women's skis is low from 162 on and dead flat past about 167-8 or so. Many brands build pecious few (if any) women's models past those sizes.

SJ
post #44 of 52
The Volkl Attiva AC3s from last year rock, especially on hardpack, and they are more versatile than the S5s because they can go off piste as well. They're pretty stiff for bumps though.
post #45 of 52
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Originally Posted by Kevin M View Post
What would be a good ski for an advanced 24 year old female, in good physical shape, 5'3" weighing about 110-115 lbs, primarily north eastern skier? She is a lifetime skier as well.

Any recommendations on last years skis or this years skis would be a huge help!

Thanks!

Hmm, she has good boots that fit really well right ?! Have you read the thread on the womens ski forum asking for ski recommendations for an an advanced male skier ? Are you two buying each other ski's for christmas this year ?

As an addition to the input you get here, if she would like to read other women's experience/evaluations of ski's, consider refering her to theskidiva forum. That way she can add what she is looking for in a ski, likes/dislikes, prior experience with other ski's, etc. Just a thought for an additional resource.
post #46 of 52
Just to confirm, you are getting recommendations for ski's for her to DEMO right ? You're not going to go out & buy them for her without her having a chance to try them out & decide which model & length she likes best ?
Demo eh ? oh, good.
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I know it's a problem but nobody can be all things to all people....just can't do it. Heck I carry 10 brands of skis. With over 1000 pr in stock at any given time, I still get calls very occasionally for a model I don't have or one of the two semi-major brands that I don't carry. You just can't do it all. FWIW....the sales curve on Women's skis is low from 162 on and dead flat past about 167-8 or so. Many brands build pecious few (if any) women's models past those sizes.

SJ
What's wrong with unisex skis? If a women is over 180lb and 6' tall, she's a minority in the women's world, yet perfectly average in the men's world. Say what you want about discrimination, she'd be best served by men's ski at the proper length. I wouldn't fault the manufacturer for not providing women ski over 170cm. We're not talking about a skirt for the big and tall here.
post #48 of 52
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What's wrong with unisex skis? If a women is over 180lb and 6' tall, ....................... she'd be best served by men's ski at the proper length
Not necessarily.

There is a lot more going on than ski flex. Female biomechanics can be quite different than men's. My friend Les does not ski much like a girl so she is fine with a unisex ski despite her smallish size. OTH, a bigger woman with stance, flex range, etc. issues might be better served with a women's specific model that reasonably addresses those things. In longer sizes those skis are just not available. Fortunately a lot of accomodations can be made with unisex skis when such a purchase becomes a necessity. It doesn't come up often but it does happen.

SJ
post #49 of 52
Well, Jim, my size is medium for women (or small for guy). I had tried both women's and unisex ski, quite a few of them. I have to say I feel the difference between different ski models is far greater than the difference between the men and women version of the same ski.

Hence I ended up with one pair of women ski and another of unisex. I like them for different reason but I'm not positive the women's part does all that much for me. A lot of the guy's ski I've tried, as long as they're the right length (which isn't always available), skis as well, albeit different, as the women's ski I ended up with.
post #50 of 52
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Well, Jim, my size is medium for women (or small for guy). I had tried both women's and unisex ski, quite a few of them. I have to say I feel the difference between different ski models is far greater than the difference between the men and women version of the same ski.

Hence I ended up with one pair of women ski and another of unisex. I like them for different reason but I'm not positive the women's part does all that much for me. A lot of the guy's ski I've tried, as long as they're the right length (which isn't always available), skis as well, albeit different, as the women's ski I ended up with.
Which is why I said not necessarily.

SJ
post #51 of 52
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post
Well, Jim, my size is medium for women (or small for guy). I had tried both women's and unisex ski, quite a few of them. I have to say I feel the difference between different ski models is far greater than the difference between the men and women version of the same ski.

Hence I ended up with one pair of women ski and another of unisex. I like them for different reason but I'm not positive the women's part does all that much for me. A lot of the guy's ski I've tried, as long as they're the right length (which isn't always available), skis as well, albeit different, as the women's ski I ended up with.
BINGO!
And this is the reason that women's skis should not be dismissed any more than they should be the only consideration.

4 or 5 years ago I demoed several womans skis and figured I would never like them because they were "lame" compared to the all mountain unisex skis I'd been skiing. Then one day I was convinced to try the Nordica Line during a Nordica demo day at my local hill. I was impressed!

As I said it before...........Shrink it and Pink it is no longer the standard for women's ski design!
post #52 of 52
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Originally Posted by 911over View Post
Hmm, she has good boots that fit really well right ?! Have you read the thread on the womens ski forum asking for ski recommendations for an an advanced male skier ? Are you two buying each other ski's for christmas this year ?

As an addition to the input you get here, if she would like to read other women's experience/evaluations of ski's, consider refering her to theskidiva forum. That way she can add what she is looking for in a ski, likes/dislikes, prior experience with other ski's, etc. Just a thought for an additional resource.
We are not buying each other skis, and she didn't make that post.

Thanks for the other site!

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Just to confirm, you are getting recommendations for ski's for her to DEMO right ? You're not going to go out & buy them for her without her having a chance to try them out & decide which model & length she likes best ?
Demo eh ? oh, good.
The plan is to get recommendations on several pairs of skis and to then demo.

I did the same thing 2 years ago and demoed out in Utah. The number 1 recommendation on this board turned out to be my favorite ski that I tried, and I eventually purchased a pair from another forum member. (168 Volkl Allstars...love em!!)
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