New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Kid's Fat Skis!

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Is this the first year that fat skis have been available for kids? I don't recall seeing any before. I was out shopping for gear with some of my ski school kids this weekend and saw two fat skis. The K2 Bad Seed and the Volkl Mantra Jr. These skis really do look fat when compared to the usual kids fare such as the K2 Juvy. Both had a waist of 85mm or so, and came in lengths 118ish to 150ish. Pretty cool.
post #2 of 20
Epic, that is cool! How big were the eyes on your students when they were gear shopping? I bet that, alone, is a huge stoke!
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
We were in race ski mode, so we didn't get any. Yet.


But they did leave with nice quivers of race skis. They were well accessorized as well... :
post #4 of 20
I picked up a pair of twin tip Atomics last year designed for kids; look to be in the high 70's. Which is fat for someone 40" tall. My only concern is whether "fats" or TT will replace the usual mini-carvers made by Fischer etc., mess up the learning curve about edge control. Opinions?
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
If you ask me, they're a niche ski and always will be. A fun niche though!

Truth is if a kid weighs 60 lbs, they'll float just fine on a 70ish ski. Still, it would be fun for them to have abig fatty when it really dumps. Also, For the kids that are bigger say over 100 lbs, the fat ski might really be a help.
post #6 of 20
Its just cool!:
post #7 of 20
Just a fad.

The wide ski will make it harder for the kids to put the ski on edge. I expect fat kid's skis to make learning harder for these light weight skiers.
post #8 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
Just a fad.

The wide ski will make it harder for the kids to put the ski on edge. I expect fat kid's skis to make learning harder for these light weight skiers.
Fat kids need fat skis...
Rossi has a Scratch BC pro in the 90's for 2 season now.
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
Just a fad.

The wide ski will make it harder for the kids to put the ski on edge. I expect fat kid's skis to make learning harder for these light weight skiers.
Fish On! (can we get a smilie for that?) Anyhow, they're not for kids that are learning to ski. They are for kids that are working on ripping pow. :
post #10 of 20
When I first saw this thread I read it as: "Fat Kid's Skis!" Which I inperpreted as skis for fat kids, which to me, seems a little harsh...

Anyhow, sadly I don't think it is a fad, but I do think that it will make learning more difficult than it already is for some juniors... although it might be good in the sense that these kids will no longer be yearning for adult fat skis which they have no hope to flex, so maybe this will be better for kids that fall into that category.

Later

GREG
post #11 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
.........these kids will no longer be yearning for adult fat skis which they have no hope to flex, so maybe this will be better for kids that fall into that category.

Later

GREG
THAT hits the bolt squarely on the noggin. I have had customers buying the shortest adult 'fat' skis they could find only to have them tell me something like ...."yeah they float, but Johhny can't relly turn 'em without massive effort"

There have been skis in the high 70's low 80's for a while now. I have been carrying the Line mini Invader for some time, but the Graphic this year is really bad and I'm having a tough time selling them. I was just about to order the Min-Mantra yesterday but it only goes up to 138 and I really need it to go to about 148 or so. I don't see too much need for this type of thing down in the 118-128 range but my customers are for the most part not racers. Most are on their second or maybe third pr. at best.

I just can't predict what the kids are going to like so I'm going to take the shotgun approach and buy a sampling of several different ones to see what shakes out.

SJ
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
I thik the Bad Seed goes to 148.

I've had some kids on the B3W in sizes close to that, and the Foil has worked out well in some cases too.
post #13 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
THAT hits the bolt squarely on the noggin. I have had customers buying the shortest adult 'fat' skis they could find only to have them tell me something like ...."yeah they float, but Johhny can't relly turn 'em without massive effort"

...
SJ
Guilty as charged...
post #14 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by epic View Post
Fish On! (can we get a smilie for that?) Anyhow, they're not for kids that are learning to ski. They are for kids that are working on ripping pow. :
like this?
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
like this?
Yep, just like that. Maybe an animated one with the rod bending down and line stripping out.
post #16 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by epic View Post
I thik the Bad Seed goes to 148.

I've had some kids on the B3W in sizes close to that, and the Foil has worked out well in some cases too.
I think once the kids hit mebbe 90-100 lbs or so, it becomes a question of their development. Some kids that weight/age are close to being small adults while others are still little jello-bodies. For the former, the right adult ski can work but for the latter, it's a notsogood thing. IAC, the biggest problem that I see is in the 70-90 lb range where they are just catching up with their size. Those kids are too light for an adult ski except in fairly rare cases. That's where this type of ski comes into play.

I'll usually ask the parent to bring the kid in. We put some boots on and ask them to flex. If they are bouncing off the fronts of their boots then I know they are probably straight legged spoiler hangers and won't flex a ski very well. OTH if they hit the front and flex right through and bend the boot, then I know they can handle a better ski. It's not an exact science but it's better than nothing. Most parents think their kids are great skiers even if they just zoom down the groomers in a flying wedge. Giving that type of kid a ski that is too long or stiff is not a great idea. The parents will often be seen picking them out of the gill nets at the bottom of the trail.

Not to mention of course the possible danger of them putting dents in the lift towers or the lodge.

SJ
post #17 of 20
As racers, fat skis were never a consideration for my kids. And living in the Midwest they never really had a need for a "fat" ski ... until this year. We have relocated and are now living in Utah so the need for a "free ski" that is not race specific is much more relevant. Even the head coaches are suggesting a fat ski for the days when it is dumping and they can't set a course. Something they can head up on the mountain with and "have fun" playing in the pow. In fact, part of their team training includes free skiing days where they venture all over the mountain - trees, bumps, crud, hiking, etc.

I picked up the Mantra Jr. for my son (10) and the Rossi Scratch (BC Girl) for my daughter (14). Both are 80mm underfoot, so they should float a bit better than their 66mm GS skis.
post #18 of 20
one thing i tell parents of kids alittle older is to check out the womens offerings from several companies.
post #19 of 20
OK, this is going to sound really out of character for me, but fat skis for kids sounds CRAZY to me.

Ok, maybe something 80mm if we're talking a kid that skis 150s, but 85mm for 118cm skis?

I'm not going to do the math, but I bet the relative width, if that ski were a 190, would be HUGE, probably 150mm+.

Take into account that any kid using a 118cm ski is young and small, and it just makes no sense at all.


You guys ever see 8-10 year olds that can rip skiing powder? They really don't have too much trouble floating. True, they don't stay right on the surface, but they NEVER seem to hit bottom.
post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
Fat kids need fat skis...
Rossi has a Scratch BC pro in the 90's for 2 season now.
Now, THAT'S a great bumper sticker.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion