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"watch where your going!!!"

post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 
Im out on my second ski trip this year in Calabogie peaks, a little hill in Ontario, just opening, not too many runs because of a lack of snow.

Anyways, I'm skiing down a hill with a friend of mine who is a snowboarder(irrelevant). I'm carving down the hill in complete control near one side in a short run. Now i'm about 5 feet from the edge of the run and I'm carving in my own space, when all of a sudden a snowboarder behind me tries to go between the edge and me(again 5 feet max) needless to say, this guy went off the edge, no worries it was small, but he did hit some fluff and some small branches.

Now the really dumb thing is why is he trying to go in between me and the edge of the run, when there is an entirely open spot to the left of me, about 20 or 30 feet in length???

I continue skiing down the hill not worrying about it when this same snowboarder goes bombing down the hill beside me and he yells: "Watch where your f#cking going!!!!"

Did I do something wrong, no. I stayed in control, I left lots of room for people to pass me on the other side. This a$$hole continues bombing down the hill and I see that near the end, he ends up crashing, so i felt justice had been served.

I have no disrespect for boarders, a lot of my friends are boarders, i'm one of the only skiers out of the bunch but answer me this. Do you think he would of said anything to me if I was a snowboarder? Does that rivalry still live on, if so, how pathetic is that!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 03, 2002 06:40 PM: Message edited 1 time, by kinch ]</font>
post #2 of 54
...Let it out Kinch...let it out...breathe...deep breaths..just let it out...LOL

Welcome to the twix of our concerns...was he in front of you at any point in time?...sounds like he just crept up on ya...enjoyed your line...decided it was his. Can you expect anything more from juvy knucklehead. Most likely his 'rents pretty much gave him a pass just to rid themselves of his spoiled rotten thankless soul. : ...remember...> what goes around ..comes around!
post #3 of 54
Thread Starter 
in answer to your question, no i was in front of him the entire time. I really wouldnt of cared so much if it was a beginner or something, but this guy was fairly good, so he should know what he is doing out there and know that he is doin somethin wrong.
post #4 of 54
I believe the "rules of right of way" are that the uphill skier/boarder must watch out for the down hill skier/boarder so he/she boarder/skier had no right screaming at you,
See my rant in Pierre's thread

This weekend I was skiing with a group of 4 kids (5-11 years) and a few adults in the back to "protect" them from out of control skiers/boarders. I was making nice short little turns "skiing the slow line fast" and watching behind me all the time to make sure I wasn't cutting anyone off. I hate to count how many times we almost got hit.

Keep ranting Kinch. Let your local patrol know too..

Oh Yeah, Incase I didn't say so earlier, Welcome to Epic Ski... [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 03, 2002 09:19 PM: Message edited 2 times, by dchan ]</font>
post #5 of 54
Some people are just a**holes. This applies to skiers or boarders. There does seem to be a tendency for a**holes to take up boarding rather than skiing, so boarders get a bad reputation.

Philosophical aside: maybe because it's easier to become an OK boarder than an OK skier, people who are generally impatient and inconsiderate are more likely to take up boarding.
post #6 of 54
"skiing the slow line fast"

Ok I am a little dense but I keep reading slow line fast, fast line slow...I am confused by exactly what this means. Boy am I feeling stupid. :
post #7 of 54
You should have sprayed him and then showed him why skiers carry poles! It doesn't matter who it was, skier or boarder, this guy sucks.

This is actually a really good point, maybe a side note; DO NOT STEAL SOMEBODYS LINE!!!

I was skiing Alta (put in to show it was not a boarder) a few weeks ago when a guy cut me off to get the first tracks into a chute/ridgeline that I was headed into. This normally would not have made me as mad as it did, however, it was late in the day, on a powder day, and there was not much left untracked. If I had been a sidestepper, or standing at the top for longer than 10 seconds sure, but I did neither. Then to make matters worse, then guy did a huge speed check after his second turn and slid the run! I yelled forward to him, but he never looked back. Sorry I don't mean to go off on a rant, but come on!
post #8 of 54
Kima, there's considerable discussion in the instructional part of Epic Ski about Bob Barnes's description of good skiing as skiing the slow line fast. Basically, the idea is to use turns for change of direction rather than for speed control and to choose the appropriate terrain and line for the speed you want.
post #9 of 54
Thanks Kneale Brownson.
post #10 of 54
Knucklehead line poaching tricks. Hey, anyone got more of these stories? Yeah, even the non-boarder line poaching stories. I just love a story where a poacher ends up eating bark!!!

Mark
post #11 of 54
well
i was in the park dropping in, when this guy starts yelling...i didn't know it was at me...had a helmet on, and it was coming from behind me (i was about oh...10-20 feet away frmo the kicker)..meybe less so i kept going. Anyways, the guy behind me who coincidentally was a boarder, got his face checked by my ski edges and cut a nice wound into his face.

man...was he pissed. i ended up bailing and had a full on yardsale...not fun falling from about 5-10 feet up in the air :/ anyways...long story short...i hate boarders (the socal variant are just...*******s)

mello
post #12 of 54
Many have heard this story, but in case you have not... [img]smile.gif[/img]
last year at the bears gathering at Fernie, Mrs. Skicrazy calls me off to the side of the trail. We were well out of the way of anyone skiing down. She was commenting on my tendency to start every turn with a small traverse.

Keep in mind its a Monday afternoon, a school day, not a holiday, when suddenly this 15 year old boarder comes crashing into me. I had what has become an impulse response for me. Contract my abs and exert just a slight amount of pressure in the boarders direction, using his own force against him. BOOM! down he goes!

.......and I'm still standing.

Mrs. Ski crazy screams out "Sorry Dude!!" We skied down to the base, she's screaming at me "How did you do that??? If you're that stable just point the damn skis downhill and go!!"

I was laughing so hard, its amazing I did not wipe out!
post #13 of 54
I've been doin pretty good since that Pierre's thread. I guess from that discussion I decided to grow eyes in the back of my head. I haven't had my clock cleaned good since. Probably will tomorrow.

[ December 08, 2002, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Pierre ]
post #14 of 54
The answer is pretty easy, boarders can't turn and they think they have some divine right to "the line".

I had the same thing happen at Okemo last week .... twice by the same idiot. He kept screaming "you kept turning in front of me" and kept getting more and more pissed when the only answer I would give him was "And?". [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #15 of 54
My rant should probably be in a new thread, but I just couldn't resist. It was late yesterday, and I was havin a blast on the open terrain. Went to unload from the lift (which I had been riding with a couple of hicks on rental skis) and one of them got stuck on my ******* ski tails! Almost forced me into a bench at the top of the hill. Left a cute little mark on my topsheets. I'm still a little bitter. Having just bought my own equipment this summer, it's the closest thing I have to a child. I believe he was also somewhat under the influence. I like riding the lifts with patrollers. They know how to load, unload, and do everything in between.
post #16 of 54
I'm going to have to check that Pierre thread.

I've had the same thing happen. It's not just boarders although I do agree with the fact that since boarding is easier to pick up it naturally tends to collect more pathetic, mediocre losers. Shame, I've seen many darn good boarders and it only serves to give them a bad rep. I can only add that with the invent of shaped skis making skiing easier, you'll probably see more pathetic skiers.

I've never been one to rat on someone for attempting to have good harmless fun, but in some of the above situations the idiots could end up killing someone. Shame there's not an easier way to report and identify these idiots.
post #17 of 54
the fact is that some people are just mindless pinheads, that's never going to change. I've run into a ton of these miscreants on ski's as well. What do I do about it? Ignore them. They're a buzz kill and I don't waste waste my time worrying about them. Now, if they endanger anyone else besides themselves then they should of course be horse whipped. Problem is these individuals have huge cojones when it comes to screaming at someone else for their mistake but they can't muster the guts to admitt they screwed up and tried to yank your line. Oh well.... Karma will get them in the end.
post #18 of 54
A few weeks ago at Solden a boarder had his chin all bandaged up. A few people asked him about it while on the lift up. Turns out he hit a skiers pole with his chin. : When pressed for further details he revealed that the skier was a child who took a tumble.
post #19 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by Maddog1959:
Knucklehead line poaching tricks. Hey, anyone got more of these stories? Yeah, even the non-boarder line poaching stories. I just love a story where a poacher ends up eating bark!!!

Mark
Okay, I have one. The poacher doesn't eat bark but does eat rock - does that count?

This was sometime in the early '80's when I was guiding in Jackson Hole. It was a very good powder day and I was skiing in-bounds with a longtime client named Mickey. Very uncrowded day.

Our first run was down a nice little line along one side of Sublette Ridge. Near the bottom, I noticed a skier not far behind us. He was the only other skier on the run, but I didn't pay much attention to him.

Next trip down was on a part of South Hoback. Again, nobody around except the *same* lone skier a little way behind us. On the next ride up the tram, I checked the guy out. He's wearing his CMH (heli-skiing) Million-Vertical-Foot suit and using fancy-dancy Research Dynamics heli powder skis. I was starting to get the feeling he'd figured out I was a guide, and he was shadowing us to ski our lines. Without paying for a guide, of course.

Next run down was on South Colter ridge and sure enough - he's hanging just a little behind us. By this time, Mickey had also figured out we had a little puppy dog following us.

By that time, I was kind of annoyed. It's a huge mountain, great powder everywhere, hardly anyone else around, and this guy insists on following us everywhere.

Coming down the next time, we headed down Tensleep Bowl and onto the Expert Chutes Traverse. As we worked over to one of the main chutes, I noticed our CMH friend coming along the traverse behind us. We stop, he stops. We walk, he walks.

At that point, I told Mickey to ski down a main chute and pull up below the rock band. He skied down a couple dozen turns and stopped to wait. I moved over about thirty feet on the traverse.

Just as I was about to push off, I turn around and say to CMH, "It wouldn't be a good idea to follow me where I'm going."

He looks around like there must be somebody behind him. Then he says, "Who, me? I'm not following you."

"I'm just saying, it's not a good place to follow," I reply and take off.

What he didn't know is that the little line I was taking had a tendency to *look* really good when there was lots of new snow (like now), but at the breakover point whoever skied it first would sluff all the new snow off the rock slab. But coming from above, you wouldn't be able to see that until it was too late.

So, I skied over the break, the snow went with me, and I made a few more fluffy turns down to where Mickey was standing. Just as I'm pulling up, I hear a "clack-clack-clack" above me.

I looked up to see CMH tumbling down the slab. He had skied directly in my line, run out of snow, lost a ski, tumbled down, and come to a stop almost at our feet. His lost ski was plainly visible up at the top of the rock band way above us.

"Geez!" I say. "Are you all right?"

"Yeah. I guess so," he replies. "But how am I going to get my ski?"

"Boy, I don't know. I tried to tell you not to follow."

And Mickey and I skied off.

It was a rotten thing to do, I know. But I enjoyed it.

Bob
post #20 of 54
good story bob.
post #21 of 54
Maybe this don't belong here, but I came to think about it when I read Bob's post...
Me and two buddies are out hiking in Fernie. (2000 Ridge, climbers right of Fishbowl)
It's two days after snowfall, so we're surprised that there is already a skin track set. Pretty soon we see the skiers who are breaking trail, and it doesn't take long until we catch up with them. That's when they start acting kind of wierd...
Instead of making a switchback, they just keep going, crossing the line you ski down.
We decide not to follow and to start breaking our own trail, five minutes later, they are following us! But not in our track, next to it. One of the guys passes us and is at the same time instructing the others so we figure he's a guide. Sure enough, at the top we're standing a little away from them, we can here him urging the others to stop taking pics and get ready...
You think he was pissed when the three of us came ripping down all over the place? Oh, yeah!!
Day after, we met them again. We talked a little with the three clients, but he was standing on his own about 10ft away...
We asked them witch line they were planning to ski, and took another one. Just didn't feel right doing the same thing as the day before, after all they were paying that guide to get the freshies...
Met him several time later on, he stíll wouldn't say a word to us!
post #22 of 54
Quote:
Originally posted by dchan:
I believe the "rules of right of way" are that the uphill skier/boarder must watch out for the down hill skier/boarder so he/she boarder/skier had no right screaming at you...
However, if the downhill person does something unexpected, sudden, or stupid, he HAS to bear some responsibility.

Just like you wouldn't dive into the left lane of a highway without signalling or looking over your shoulder, if you were to, for instance, come to a sudden stop anywhere in the center area of a run, then if you get hit by someone behind you, you at least partially brought that on yourself.
post #23 of 54
[quote]Originally posted by nakona:
Quote:
However, if the downhill person does something unexpected, sudden, or stupid, he HAS to bear some responsibility.

Just like you wouldn't dive into the left lane of a highway without signalling or looking over your shoulder, if you were to, for instance, come to a sudden stop anywhere in the center area of a run, then if you get hit by someone behind you, you at least partially brought that on yourself.
Hmmmm.

Nakona, I don't agree at all.

Even though the highway analogy seems to be logical, I don't think it holds up. On the highway, we have lanes and speed limits and generally understood ways that we all drive (most of the time, anyway).

I don't *expect* someone on the freeway to suddenly come to a complete stop in the middle lane, and even though it does occasionally happen it really doesn't happen very often. Same is true for people crossing lanes continuously. In any case, I try to drive in a way that will at least minimize the effects if it does happen.

With skiing, we're all kind of thrown on a run together. Beginners, experts, boarders, etc. I honestly *do* expect downhill people to do things that are "unexpected, sudden, or stupid". There are no established lanes, speed limits, etc, so you have to expect anything. I ski accordingly.

The only TRUE "rule of the road" is that the downhill skier has the right of way. Period. Regardless of what they are doing or how stupid I might think they are.

Bob
post #24 of 54
Quote:
However, if the downhill person does something unexpected, sudden, or stupid, he HAS to bear some responsibility.
I know these are advanced concepts so bear with me:

You aren't allowed to plow into a suddenly fallen skier, due to the fact that if they're sitting on their butt it will take them awhile to get up and out of your righteous path.

You aren't allowed to plow into someone who unexpectedly turns downhill from you, due to the fact that it's easier for you to avoid things you see, than for the downhill skier to avoid things she can't see.
post #25 of 54
You should be able to avoid ANYTHING downhill from you. If you can't, then you're not skiing under control.
post #26 of 54
\However, if the downhill person does something unexpected, sudden, or stupid, he HAS to bear some responsibility.

Just like you wouldn't dive into the left lane of a highway without signalling or looking over your shoulder, if you were to, for instance, come to a sudden stop anywhere in the center area of a run, then if you get hit by someone behind you, you at least partially brought that on yourself.\

nakona if you folow that reasoning than it would never be the uphill skiers responsibilty to pass safley, who carves down the mountain looking behind them, I ski fast & in control if you get in an area with slower skiers quite possibly with lower skills then you need to change your speed to match your surroundings, this all has been made more of an issue with the newer skis that cover so much of a trail carving down the slope verses people on straight skis doing windshield wiper turns that used very little of the trail & didn't carve across the trail suddenly, people who ski fast & reckless make it bad for those of us that ski fast safely. just my .02
bteddy
post #27 of 54
I was told by my instructor that I should 'allow for the unpredictability' of the crowds in those areas that become crowded(esp when there are beginners around)

allowing for the people downhill to ski quite randomly seems a good description to me...
post #28 of 54
Allowing for the downhill skier to do someting erratic and unpredictable, particularly in a beginner or intermediate area, should be Business As Usual for the uphill skier, particularly if they are an advanced skier. There really is no excuse for colliding with the downhill skier.
post #29 of 54
Maybe we'll soon have to have rear-view mirrors on our helmets and turn signals on our poles.

I think it's just easier to ski in control. Go fast when the trail and crowds permit.
post #30 of 54
I've hit one person in my 12 years on skis.
It happened at the end of a trail at Killington.
The trail was maybe 12 feet wide at that point, and there were a few people ahead of me, all to the left of the trail (there was a nice drop off the right-hand side).
Anyway, right as I'm passing this big guy (I'm 5'7", 170, he was over 6' easy), he decides to make a right turn, and stop dead in his tracks to admire the view. I had just enough time to bear hug him as we went down so I wouldn't push him over the edge. One of my ski poles snapped across my leg, but apart from that, we were both fine.
I guess it was my fault, but there was nowhere to go...

The only time I've been hit was also at Killington. The guy who hit me was someone I'd been staying away from as much as possible. He was fast but didn't have much control.
Anyway, this time I didn't see him coming until he was about a foot off my left side heading straight for me. I braced myself before he hit, and he basically bounced off and went down in a nice spray of fresh snow.
He thought I was supposed to watch out for him, but even his buddies were trying to tell him we don't carry rear-view mirrors, and if I can't see him, how can I avoid him?

Dave
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