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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I'm looking at a couple of different pairs of Stockli's for the coming season.

My Details:
Age:42
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 190
Years Skiing: 39
Ability: Aggressive Advanced/Expert
Days Skiing Last Year: 28
Ski Area: Mary Jane (I live in Granby, so thats where 90% of my ski days are)
Past Skis: K2 Axis XP's 188, that got stolen two years ago. Now skiing on a pair of Dynastar 4x4 Flames I picked up cheap.
Type of skiing: Mostly on piste, I love high speed rippers, doesn't matter if its groomed or not. Love skiing the trees and the steeps. Love skiing
Favorite Run: MJ Pine Cliffs to the weather station trees. Backside Parsenns.


I don't have much cash to spare (too many $1000 dollar sports ) so I'm looking for an all mountain ski. Here's what I'm considering:

'05 Stormrider XL 194cm
'06 CrossPro 177cm
'06 Laser CrossPro 188cm

I'm actually leaning towards the stormrider, but the reports of it being unforgiving and the size are putting me off a little bit. I spend around 70% of my time in the trees and I'm wondering if it might just be a bit too much work with them. Although it'd be nice to want to get back in the pow, my 4x4's suck in the powder (imho) and I haven't spent many powder days out there because of it.

The 177's seem like they'd be short, but the price is right

And last is the Laser CrossPro, which seems like it might be the best choice except for powder days.

Any advice?

BTW to the person (and I use that term loosely) who stole my 2002 188 axis xp's while I was having hot chocolate at the base of Mary Jane with my 7 and 4 year old sons...... May you reap what you sow.
post #2 of 15
How about '06 or '07 Stormrider XLs(The purple ones) in a 184. The XL skis long and is wide enough to handle most off piste stuff...unless we're talking > 2' of fluff. I've got it in a 174 and I'm 5'9 and 170#. It is a little softer tip and tail than the '05 XLs(blue, red, and white ones). There are some good buys on Ebay now under the buy it now section.

I think this ski would be a little more versatile than the Laser Cross Pros. It's a little wider all over and still has a very high speed limit.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by rcarver View Post
Hi,

Here's what I'm considering:

'05 Stormrider XL 194cm
'06 CrossPro 177cm
'06 Laser CrossPro 188cm
I'm confused. When you say '06, do you mean '05-'06 or '06-'07? In '06-'07, Stockli made a Laser Cross and a Laser Cross Pro. I'm not sure what the difference is between the CrossPro and Laser Cross Pro that you mentioned, but then again, I'm not familiar with their '05-'06 line.
post #4 of 15
I think you could do better than the Stockli.
The skis have a cult following with some, but they are kinda pricy and by all accounts a bit fragile.
There are allot of similar but better boards out there and can be found at better price point this time of year.
Example

186 Legend Pro
18X Legend 8800
184 Mantra
186 Fisher Atua
PM Gear 188 Bro Model

There are many others.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by quickk9 View Post
I'm confused. When you say '06, do you mean '05-'06 or '06-'07? In '06-'07, Stockli made a Laser Cross and a Laser Cross Pro. I'm not sure what the difference is between the CrossPro and Laser Cross Pro that you mentioned, but then again, I'm not familiar with their '05-'06 line.
'06-'07 Laser CrossPro 177cm
'05-'06 Laser CrossPro 188cm
post #6 of 15
You want the XL in the 184, max. They ski very long. Great all around, I like mine in the trees and even mild-moderate bumps (174's), not a bunch of float but great smooth crud ski, so you'll be doing some porpoising. Assume you know that.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
You want the XL in the 184, max. They ski very long. Great all around, I like mine in the trees and even mild-moderate bumps (174's), not a bunch of float but great smooth crud ski, so you'll be doing some porpoising. Assume you know that.
I ski the Stormrider in a 174cm and I'm 215lbs, skis long!
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by MTT View Post
I think you could do better than the Stockli.
The skis have a cult following with some, but they are kinda pricy and by all accounts a bit fragile.
I'm not sure that I would say that you could do "better" than Stockli, it all depends on what you are looking for. I have six pairs of '06-'07 Stocklis and I haven't found them to be any more or less fragile than any other ski that I've owned. (I also own other brands that I think perform better in certain conditions than the Stocklis that I have so I guess that I am not a true member of the Stockli cult.) If, however, you are suggesting that other manufacturers produce skis that are more suitable than the three Stockli's listed, I would tend to agree. As for price, I have learned that while Stocklis are certainly more rare than other brands due to limited production, their resale value does not seem to remain high especially when compared to skis such as AC-4s, Mantras, Gotamas, etc. The Stockli factory tune is also unmatched by most other manufacturers.

But as far as the original question, I am 5'8" 170 and I have the '06-'07 Stormrider XL 164 and the '06-07 Laser Cross Pro. I haven't skied the '05-'06 Stormrider, so I can only compare the newer model with the Laser Cross Pro. Both are pretty burly skis, with the Laser Cross Pro being the stiffer of the two. If you are concerned about a ski not being forgiving enough, I would not consider the Laser Cross Pro. It is a great ski for high speed groomers, but I wouldn't want to take it into the trees as it does not like short turns or lower speeds. The Stormrider XL, would be my choice of the two hands down. And, as mentioned, they do ski long. Good luck.
post #9 of 15
I have a pair of 06-07 XL 174 I might part with. I mounted them with quick adjusting bindings. I bought them so I could have a pair for friends to ski on when they come and visit. Let me know if you would like them..
post #10 of 15
There were some issues with some of the Stockli line back in about 1997.

I have put lots of miles on Stockli since then, as has my son racing for about seven or eight years now.

The only "failure" I've had was that the goofy little Swiss disk decoration on the front of a ski fell off (adhesive failure).

That is about four days/nights on snow teaching from December thru April.

Conversly, compared with Volkl, the Stockli base materials wear like iron, with the Volkl bases, I was due for a grind at mid season (new skis) ... and I have never had a grind on Stockli's due to wear (under foot). The base materials are exceptional.
post #11 of 15
To second Yuki, I don't worship Stockli's, but damn, they're well made. Mine have been over all kinds of crap that would have reduced my Volkls to cratered splinters. Just a few dings and otherwise flat and sharp after a full season.
post #12 of 15

Anyone skied the Stockli XXXL's?

Took a look at the Swiss Stockli site posted here, noticed that the fine print about the yellow XXXL's says that they're synthetic core now, like the other Stormriders, otherwise same dimensions, radii, and lengths as the SS's. Also the SS's had top and bottom titanal, period, while this year's also claims a titanal reinforcment over the mounting area. Any feedback on how they ski relative to last years?
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by MTT View Post
I think you could do better than the Stockli.
The skis have a cult following with some, but they are kinda pricy and by all accounts a bit fragile.
MTT: Are you kidding or what? Fragile? I am not sure that you are talking about the same brand being discussed in this thread.

Laser Cross Pro - not good for trees unless you consider trees to be substitute GS gates. Great for high speed and a little bit more 'all mountain' than a pure GS ski but really this a ski for race coaches and racers who want a bit more versatility on their day off.

The older XLs have a great reputation and a reputation for skiing long so do not buy too much ski. A good person to ask to Lou Rosenfeld.

For example I am 6'2" and 200 lbs and am quite happy on a 169cm Rotor.
post #14 of 15
I guess I will defend my statment about Fragile.

First I read The OP's Post.
Granted I see everything through an (Off Piste filter

I saw
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 190
Years Skiing: 39
Ability: Aggressive Advanced/Expert

I saw that he likes to ski
Love skiing the trees and the steeps. Love skiing
Favorite Run: MJ Pine Cliffs to the weather station trees. Backside Parsenns.

I have skied that area a good bit (For a tourist)

He is going to hit ROCKS! Sharp jagged ROCKS.

Then he appears to have a line on a deal on three specific Stockli Skis

05 Stormrider XL 194cm
'06 CrossPro 177cm
'06 Laser CrossPro 188cm

He could do allot better than these three skis for what he wants to do.

I also have skied with multiple who own or owned Stormrider DP
I heard several stories about easy to tear the bases to the core, colapsed sidewalls, and bent or blown edges.

I have also seen multiple stories on the ski forums describing the same thing.

Beyond is the first person who I have seen toughting the durability of Stockli skis.

I think the sintered race bases and swiss tune all sound great, but not for a guy skiing the Trees at Mary Jane.

So I very strongly insist that, sir given your size, where and how you ski,

The skis you have listed are not for you. YOU CAN DO MUCH BETTER>

Look for a deal on a stiffer big mountain ski.

Your looking for somthing that is on the stiffer side, around 100mm at the waist +/_ 10mm
Probably would be happiest on somthing around 190 CM in length.
184 on the short side 194 on the longer side. 186 or 188 probably perfect for versatility
post #15 of 15
If I was going to ski where my skis would be getting a good thrashing the last thing I would buy is a new ski of any brand.

Get two used pair ......... not being my usual sarcastic self .... if my skis had to last and that big $$ purchase would knock me out for the season if you screw the pooch .... how many skis will take a hard thrashing through a boulder field? OK ... my old 1965 Head Standards were probably the toughest ski I ever owned, but short of that I'd shop used and two pair are always better than one.

Thanks for shaking my memory. I did dent some Stockli's eight or nine years ago. Spring skiing, too fast and it was a pretty good sized boulder. They still skiied fine but had a bit of a wrinkle in the edge and top sheet. Any of the cap skis back then would have been totaled, and just about all skis back then were caps. Two runs later, I noticed the damage.
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