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post #1 of 15
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I teach kids development team, kids from about 7yo to 12yo, level 5-7. I was thinking this year about whether it would be a good idea to video tape them. On the one hand, video analysis is great. It also would be a fun novelty to shoot some video and then go in for snack break and huddle around a monitor and watch. On the other hand, kids can be very very self-conscious and may not want their defects displayed over and over again in front of the group.

So what do you think? Good idea or bad idea?
post #2 of 15
I think it could back fire on you (ask me how I know.....) kids have no qualms about parroting what you say and making fun of each other. If you point out a flaw it may not matter how you couch that in terms of the positives you see. The kid or his peers may really dwell on the flaw. As with anything it will depend on the kids, but be careful.
post #3 of 15
With epic's thought in mind, you could try watching the video for fun and possitive feed back only. Mentioning anything you see needing correction can be saved for a more private moment or even simply worked into your instruction.
post #4 of 15
I agree, keep the video to positive examples and praise only for younger kids. Video is a powerful tool- some people can't visualize movement or technique until they see it. Others think they feel the proper movement, but once they see the video realize it's all wrong.

Another thing to consider is parental approval/acceptance or consent as some folks are sketchy about a "stranger" video taping thier kids.
post #5 of 15
I love video analysis.

Good point Epic. To avoid, You can have private viewings with each kid. Radio up to see who is in the gate and say it so the tape pics up. E.g. "Josh on Course, Suzy on deck". Then when they are having their break, call them up one at a time. "Josh come over here. Suzy you're up next."

Lap top is handy for this. Hard to see anything helpful on the teeny weeny cam screen. Do you have a TV you can use?

Want to get fancy? Edit the tape. You can do slo-mo very easily. Fairly easy to create a library of each kids training footage as mpeg files or burn to a DVD. Cripes they can prob even put it on their Ipods. Individ DVDs Could be a little $$ maker for coach or or fund raiser for program too!
post #6 of 15
You probably don't have to worry much about parental approval in legal terms since you are almost always giving consent when you enter a ski area for you to be used in any picture/video the ski area wants to use you in unless you give a written response otherwise.

Watching the video may be more helpful for you than the kids. Kids at that age and ability will doubtful have much in movement analysis skill. They are more likely to gain from watching video of somebody doing something right than wrong. Reaffirming the pointing out of positive actions in the video, then showing them how they are almost doing it maybe.

Another good thing to use video for is get some tape on the first lesson of the year, and then some at the end of the year and be able to show them how they can improve.

To use the video for yourself, you can take it and evaluate the kids in some V1 software and give yourself a greater awareness of what they are doing, how they are improving, and if they are doing what you want/think they are doing.

Make a complitation of great shots throughout the year, have an end of season party (one of the parents will be glad to host it) and then show the video.

Have fun
post #7 of 15
There are strong schools of thought on effects of video for children in that age bracket for any activity. They are very self conscious at that age and video is not really a great overall representation of their experience. It totally shifts their in the moment and overall memories of an experience to something more negative with less feeling. I would not do it. Best to let them live with their live memories at this point.

If you are really compelled, a short clip of each crossing the finish line in success with a big smile is a nice finish & could go over well. But an entire run falls into changing their experience category. Remember children can be very self-critical at this age, and video can look much different than real life.
post #8 of 15
If you can point out what they're doing right, but not to a great enough extent, OK, "good start on the angles, now here's how to get more angulation...." If one of the kids is a natural joker, point out what you've told and retold him, and he's still not doing it...if you feel all will laugh with him. For the last video of the day, point out what each skier does right.
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Edited by dabbler - 11/9/11 at 8:25pm
post #10 of 15
It works for the low level kids and it works especially well if you allow the kids to do the analysis.

They won't go into gory detail, but if you ask them, "What would you say to this skier to make them better? they will say things like:

"Keep hands in front"
"More weight on outside ski."
"More movement across the hill"
"Move movement up and down"
or just "Move more!"
"Use your poles."

And really you won't get much more than that from a bunch of 7-12 yr olds, unless you are teaching them very detailed movements.

it works very well, because they can see themselves in relation to the others on the hill. A small bobble in front of the camera, or a run that felt aweful usually feels a lot worse than it looks. It can really take the pressure off.

Make sure you have a video of yourself for them to critique at the very end. That'll make you the lightening rod, especially if you fall!
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by learn2turn View Post
I teach kids development team, kids from about 7yo to 12yo, level 5-7. I was thinking this year about whether it would be a good idea to video tape them. On the one hand, video analysis is great. It also would be a fun novelty to shoot some video and then go in for snack break and huddle around a monitor and watch. On the other hand, kids can be very very self-conscious and may not want their defects displayed over and over again in front of the group.

So what do you think? Good idea or bad idea?

learn2 turn, I would not bother too much with video, kids that age and ability level just want to ski. The time it takes to get people videotaped , lined up, sent down in a orderly fashion, regroup at the bottom of the run just has kids standing around too much. Now if you have a staff of people to help you keep things moving i.e. maybe have one or 2 kids taped per run while other kids are out skiing and rotating into the filming process that might work. I think most 7 to maybe 10 yr olds are not going to be worried about how they look on skis but as you get to the teenage years you could have a problem with that.
I think kids learn best in the moment ,in situations , they are not going to get much out of movement analysis on tape. If they were very good racers maybe that is different but your general kids lesson which is what I think you are talking about would benefit from as much on snow time in different conditons/terrain etc. than they would from watching video. I did have some experience with this last year with a one week ski group about 6 kids ( ages 8-12 boys and girls) that I tried taping for one of the mornings and I found that they really did not care that much and would have rather been skiing than standing around. As far as measuring performance from start to end of the week , that came from what type of trails and conditions they could handle at the start of the week to what they were skiing by weeks end. In most of the kids instances they went up a little bit in the difficulty of the trails but what really showed was the enhanced flow to their skiing and the lines we were skiing.
post #12 of 15
If youhave one student that you think could really benefit from video. You can always try and sell the parents a private. Sometimes a little one on one time can be useful.
post #13 of 15
If you point out the positives and not the negatives you should be fine.

All the videos I have posted of kids groups ahve start life as MA tools for me and for a way for the kids to see themselves.
post #14 of 15
Showing the video for the whole group as a fun thing is ok but MA in front of a group is never a very good thing. Even with adults. I have been thaught to have the whole group watch the video and if someone wants to discuss a sertain issue about their own skiing then you have a go. And yes, first lots of positive feedback.

Ive had great success with filming students and kids on video and then posting them on the net under a private link only accessible through a link posted by me. There has been law suits over here where filming was made at school and posted on the net so be clear with the students and their kids conserning posting on the net.
post #15 of 15
I use video regularly with the kids I coach. For the young ones (8-10), their attention wanders, and sometimes all they want to see is what they look like when you play the tape backwards...

However, I've found that as I use video more regularly, the kids get beyond just laughing at everything, and start getting some learning benefit from seeing themselves on skis. I think it helps a lot that I'm working with the same kids through a whole season.

I got great results with a group last year -- I shot a video session on the tape of the same kids from two years earlier. They were really impressed (and rightfully so) with how they had improved in two years. A little encouragement goes a long way!
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