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Bindings for Head Monster 78--Freeflex or Railflex?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Any opinions on which of the following you would chose for a Monster 78:

Tyrolia Free Flex 17
or
Tyrolia HD14 Railflex 2

Merits of each?

Thanks.
post #2 of 18
I'd say that it depends: 1. on your weight, 2. your skiing ability.
Heavy? then take the freeflex 17, the same if you ski hard.
Lightweight? take HD14, the same if you're light on the skis.
I'd go for the freeflex 17 9 times of ten, but then I weight 100kg and is closer to 2m tall.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I had been leaning towards the freeflex but also like the adjustability and the higher stance of the Railflex. I am 6'4" and about 215 so I am no lightweight nor am I light on my skis. I still have about a week to decide.
post #4 of 18
Go with the HD binding, especially at yor size. It's beefier construction and has better features/safety. The FF binding is great if you are only on the groomers. The adjustability of the RF is key as the 78 is versitile enough to go from groomers to some pow and crud, Moving the binding +/- really makes a difference.
post #5 of 18
The Freeflex 17 will improve snow feel and the ski will feel more lively underfoot. Its also a true race binding and is ideal for a big guy. The Railflex 14 is a viable option and the easy-to-adjust feature is great.

Can't go wrong with either.

Michael
post #6 of 18
Micheal, don't you agree the FF is more groomed/race oriented?
post #7 of 18
Not completely. Both bindings offer free flex. The heel & toe on both FF & RF14 are of the same construction and have the same features.

The main difference is the the toe on the FF17 is directly fixed to the ski providing improved feel and power transmission. This is a benefit for hard charging and larger skiers.

The Railflex is better for lighter skiers seeking versatility, like you mentioned. Heavier skiers will feel the difference in performance provided by the Freeflex 17.

Michael
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Great advice--thanks guys.
post #9 of 18
I cant properly articulate what the experience it like, but the FF17 does feel more secure all the while releasing when and only when it should for me. I have both systems, both work well. My weight fluctuates from 195-220lbs.
post #10 of 18
OK, but the RF will allow you to shift the binding and that's important especially if you are using it as an all-mountain ski. I don't think that the HD version is any less secure than the FF. It's a much different binding than the LD.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
OK, but the RF will allow you to shift the binding and that's important especially if you are using it as an all-mountain ski. I don't think that the HD version is any less secure than the FF. It's a much different binding than the LD.
He is only asking about the HD & FF. The floating toe on the Railflex provides a different level of feel.

If the user wants to shift the binding he should use the Railflex or possibly consider the CP9 plate on the FF model.

http://www.levelninesports.com/tyrol...lver-p-80.html

I'm not sure every user wants to think about binding position. Most just want to install on the line and forget it.

Cheers,

Michael
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
OK, but the RF will allow you to shift the binding and that's important especially if you are using it as an all-mountain ski. I don't think that the HD version is any less secure than the FF. It's a much different binding than the LD.
Undoubtedly, secure might be the wrong term, I guess more responsive would be closer to what I mean without diminishing the efficacy of the RF system. For one thing, the metal the FF is made with has to be less forgiving than the primarily plastic that non race bindings are comprised of. That being said I trust both my binding styles as much as one can. I have Rail Flex I LD12, FF17, and FF18.

Isnt the HD half FF and half RF (kinda-sorta)?
post #13 of 18
I ski both, including FF 14 and plate on Stockli XL's and RF 14 on Head iM82's, have also used the RF 12 on Fischer AMC 76's. Barrettscv has it exactly right. And the amount of plastic in the RF's varies with the DIN; the RF 14's are a lot more bomber than the 12's IMO, much stronger toe.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
I ski both, including FF 14 and plate on Stockli XL's and RF 14 on Head iM82's, have also used the RF 12 on Fischer AMC 76's. Barrettscv has it exactly right. And the amount of plastic in the RF's varies with the DIN; the RF 14's are a lot more bomber than the 12's IMO, much stronger toe.
That's why I suggested the HD, it is all metal. No props for the dog?
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
He is only asking about the HD & FF. The floating toe on the Railflex provides a different level of feel.

If the user wants to shift the binding he should use the Railflex or possibly consider the CP9 plate on the FF model.

http://www.levelninesports.com/tyrol...lver-p-80.html

I'm not sure every user wants to think about binding position. Most just want to install on the line and forget it.

Cheers,

Michael
Micheal, Head skis tend to show the mid-line towards the back a few mm's and ski much better (IMHO) in the +15 position when using RF, especially on groomed snow, Moving it back to neutral on soft days or pow will change the performance of the ski. The FF mounting position is actually pretty much like a +15 setting on the RF.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Micheal, Head skis tend to show the mid-line towards the back a few mm's and ski much better (IMHO) in the +15 position when using RF, especially on groomed snow, Moving it back to neutral on soft days or pow will change the performance of the ski. The FF mounting position is actually pretty much like a +15 setting on the RF.
If the skier is buying a flat ski, he can ask the tech to mount it where he wants regardless of binding model.

If he wants to easily change the location; yes he will need a Railflex. I'm not sure normal people want to be able to change the binding location (unlike some people I know ).

Cheers,

Michael
post #17 of 18
Well that rules the both of us out?????
post #18 of 18

Marker 12.0 Free for Head Monster 78?

Has anyone tried the Marker 12.0 Free on the Head Monster 78? How does it compare to the Head Railflex 14?
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