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post #1 of 15
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This was briefly talked about in a different thread, but I thought I would start athread with this specific topic. I received my MR171s this weekend, and I am trying to determine where to mount the bindings. The powder/freeride/park-pipe lines are matched ski to ski so that worries is alleviated. Since I am looking for an all-mountain ski in powder when available, I was thinking either the freeride or powder setting.

Then I mae the mistake of comparing the length of the skis to a pair of 169 PEs that I have in the plastic and saw that they were pretty much exactly the same length - nothing shocking as manufacturers seem to vary a bit. So I decided to compare binding mounting positions as the PEs have a midsole mark and then centimeter marks up to the core-center mark which is 7.5cm forward of the mid-sole mark. FWIW, I compared the running length on both skis and they are within 1/8".

Based on the midsole mark on the PE, the powder setting on the MR171 is 6 cm forward. This indicates that the binding on the PE can be mounted 6cm (2-3/8") further back than the most rearward position on the MR. Also, if the core center mark of the MR171 is the the park-pipe line (which it measure to be), why is the core-center mark of the MR171 3.5cm forward of the PE when they are the same length? Apparently Bluehouse is recommending that the bindings be mounted further forward, but 3.5cm (1-3/8") seems like a lot. What am I missing - aside from the fact that I shouldn't have compared the skis in the first place?:
post #2 of 15
the mounting point on these skis are screwed up(according to bluehouse skis).

I would mount them roughly where the PEs freeride mark is and go from there if powder and freeriding is what you will use them for.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
the mounting point on these skis are screwed up(according to bluehouse skis).

I would mount them roughly where the PEs freeride mark is and go from there if powder and freeriding is what you will use them for.
I think PEs are a terrible example. The front tips on the PE don't make contact with the snow until much further back than most skis thus making their BOF (ball of foot) location further back. See the following write-up for a better explanation -- http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=53656

Personally, I recommend going through all the steps mentioned in numerous other posts to find the BOF location on the Bluehouse skis. Once you've found the BOF location you will have to decide if you want to move the mount back a CM or two for powder. I'm planning on using the BOF location on my MRs and mounting the Districts back 1 CM from the BOF location.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
I think PEs are a terrible example. The front tips on the PE don't make contact with the snow until much further back than most skis thus making their BOF (ball of foot) location further back.
As mentioned, their overall length and running length are similar. I hear you about the tip, so I compared the skis with the running lengths aligned. This does demonstrate that the PEs don't make contact with the snow until further back. When I align the running lengths, the core center on the MR is closer, still 1-1/4" farther forward. Bluehouse calls for 83.8 cm from tail to park-pip line and mine are spot on. I can see that chord length, width, etc can make a difference so I will try to make some further observations.

Thanks for the input.
post #5 of 15
I have been interested in this topic too. The distance from tail to midsole that they give seems like a lot of tail to me. Is there anything to stop me from mounting 1 cm or so behind where they want the powder mark to be on my 179 MRs?
post #6 of 15
I'm thinking 1cm behind BOF for my Districts but I probably won't need 'em for a while so I might just wait and get some feedback from y'all.
post #7 of 15
For the Districts the powder line is 82cm from the tail following the curve of the ski. The freeride line should be 86cm from the tail.

As for the MR 179s: The Park/pipe line is 88cm from tail, freeride is 85.5cm, and powder line is 83cm

The MR 171s: The Park/pipe line is 83.8cm from tail, freeride is 81.5cm, and powder line is 79.2cm
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post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
This is an interesting point. The lines on my MR171s were correct. However, the lines on a friend's Districts were 2 cm rearward from the intended location. It is definitely worth checking the location of the lines before mounting bindings.

Also, the bases on my skis were not flat and really need to be ground before I use them. Seems to be quite a variation in quality, but it's a new company just starting out so no one should be too surprised that they are having some initial quality issues. Hopefully the skis perform well and Bluehouse can get the quality improved fairly quickly.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post
I'm thinking 1cm behind BOF for my Districts but I probably won't need 'em for a while so I might just wait and get some feedback from y'all.
This is what I was thinking for my MR171's too, but I'm thinking now that I may want to set it back a touch more than that.

Geez this is more confusing than it should be.
post #10 of 15
I agree, although I wonder if with other similar (park) skis you'd obtain similar results.

We're not talking about racing skis here ....
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by ct55 View Post
I agree, although I wonder if with other similar (park) skis you'd obtain similar results.

We're not talking about racing skis here ....
I'm really tempted to take these to the same guy that mounted my Karmas for me and tell him to mount them similarly
post #12 of 15
I'm going by their recommendations I think for the mounting and will probably go for in the middle of Freeride and powder setting as qk9 suggested.

I just meant by my earlier comment that you might get similar results if you scrutinized other skis in this category. Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt til I ski them at least!
post #13 of 15
Has anyone tried to do standard BOF measurements on their Bluehouse skis? I did and was wondering if someone got the same results. Mine were interesting and a bit concerning.

On the MR179 I found the park line was almost dead center in the run length. The freeride line was 1 inch/2.5 cm back and the powder line was 2 in./5 cm back. For me, a size 28.5, my normal mount point is 2.5 inches behind dead center so even mounting at the powder line would be forward.

For the Districts I found the freeride line was 2 5/8 in/6.7 cm behind the running length midpoint. The powder line was way back at 4 1/4 in/ 10.7 cm behind. My more rearward mounted powder skis are 3 1/2 inches back from the midpoint which I thought was major so the powder line for the Districts is really radically back.

As of now my inclination is to mount my MR 179s 1/2 inch behind the powder line for a dead-on BOF mount and mount the Districts 1/2 inch behind the freeride line meaning they will be mounted 1/2 inch/1 cm behind a normal B0F mount.
post #14 of 15
fwiw, on my Districts I mounted mine at the Freeride line, which was half way between freeride and powder guidelines provided by the Bluehouse guys.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
Has anyone tried to do standard BOF measurements on their Bluehouse skis? I did and was wondering if someone got the same results. Mine were interesting and a bit concerning.

On the MR179 I found the park line was almost dead center in the run length. The freeride line was 1 inch/2.5 cm back and the powder line was 2 in./5 cm back. For me, a size 28.5, my normal mount point is 2.5 inches behind dead center so even mounting at the powder line would be forward.

For the Districts I found the freeride line was 2 5/8 in/6.7 cm behind the running length midpoint. The powder line was way back at 4 1/4 in/ 10.7 cm behind. My more rearward mounted powder skis are 3 1/2 inches back from the midpoint which I thought was major so the powder line for the Districts is really radically back.

As of now my inclination is to mount my MR 179s 1/2 inch behind the powder line for a dead-on BOF mount and mount the Districts 1/2 inch behind the freeride line meaning they will be mounted 1/2 inch/1 cm behind a normal B0F mount.
Well, you're in Bozeman, so I would infer you got the Districts for soft snow and the MR179s for firmer days, more or less. You would be pretty far back on the sidecut on the MR179s mounting that far back. For firmer days in general you may or may not like that feeling. I'm guessing the guys at Bluehouse would suggest the freeride given your vitals, but rather than taking anonymous advice on the internet you could call them and ask.
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