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post #1 of 13
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Hey Everyone -

Just wanted to poke my head in here and let you know that you may have noticed there's been a slight change in the naming of the Alpine Racing forum recently. The former name of "Alpine Racing News and Technique" has been broadened a bit to "Racing and Competitions - News and Technique". And you'll notice that the byline below the forum title has been changed a bit as well to denote a broader range of ski competitions (i.e. Freestyle and Big Mountain competitions).

The thinking here was that other forms of ski competitions have been surging in popularity and attendance in recent years, and thus should be given equal consideration in the competition forums. For example, big mountain competitions have steadily grown over the past few years from small primarily local events to attracting big-name sponsors, increased prize money for competitors, and there are are now 3 major legitimate tours (IFSA US Tour, IFSA World Tour, and the Freeskiing World Tour by Nissan, O'Neil and Swatch), and a host of smaller "feeder" tours such as the Canadian Freeski Tour (with stops at Red, Fernie, and Lake Louise) and the Colorado Freeskiing Tour (with a series of comps at Snowmass not to mention the US Extremes that are annually held in Crested Butte).

In any event, once the season gets underway, this forum can now serve as a host to the results of these competitions as well.

Please let us know what you think.

(now I have to go resist the urge to open up the "Line Choice" thread again, because everytime I see that title I think that it's going to be about how to choose your line in a big mountain comp!!)
post #2 of 13
nice tyrone. you know i'll be stoked to chat it up in such threads.

i plan to ski snowmass, and hopefully finances will allow me to make it to kirkwood and squaw's IFSA stuff.
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
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(now I have to go resist the urge to open up the "Line Choice" thread again, because everytime I see that title I think that it's going to be about how to choose your line in a big mountain comp!!)
First, good change in general. second, a "Line Choice" or "Creative Use of Terrain" thread focused on freeskiing would be great. I've said before if you look at a mountain like, say, Snowbird to use it as a reference, so many people simply never think how they might use all the natural halfpipes, shoulders, and otehr terrain features there. You don't have to be a really strong skier to start doing that, so everyone could benefit from "peaking in."

Third, you may want to include a kicker/rock drop/ hucking mini-primer somewhere, I realize this is intended more for the discusison of competition rather than dissecting basics of technique, but the thread in the "Ask a Pro" section let's say may benefit from some tweaking and redacting. Or, they could include you in the "Pro" section, whatever.
post #4 of 13
Why not just call it Competitive Skiing Forum
with a byline of: Everything pertaining to skiing in competitions
post #5 of 13
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Why not just call it Competitive Skiing Forum
with a byline of: Everything pertaining to skiing in competitions
This was discussed, but the emphasis here will still be on alpine racing and that's the history of this particular forum so we wanted to specifically make mention of it in the forum title.
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First, good change in general. second, a "Line Choice" or "Creative Use of Terrain" thread focused on freeskiing would be great. I've said before if you look at a mountain like, say, Snowbird to use it as a reference, so many people simply never think how they might use all the natural halfpipes, shoulders, and otehr terrain features there. You don't have to be a really strong skier to start doing that, so everyone could benefit from "peaking in."
Great ideas and I would be happy to do that! Was thinking of doing something along those lines anyway, so thanks for the 'nudge'. If you have any other ideas please let meknow.

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Third, you may want to include a kicker/rock drop/ hucking mini-primer somewhere, I realize this is intended more for the discusison of competition rather than dissecting basics of technique, but the thread in the "Ask a Pro" section let's say may benefit from some tweaking and redacting. Or, they could include you in the "Pro" section, whatever.
Thanks for the suggestion...I haven't seen the thread your referencing in the 'Ask a Pro' section but I'll take a peek.
post #7 of 13
Good to see the change, ty. I tried posting some BM stuff on this board, but few people replied or even knew what was up. I remember people asking if the first weekend in April would be a good time to go to Kirkwood. I had to inform them that one of the biggest freeskiing events of the year was set to kick off that weekend. They had no idea.

BM events have been around for quite a long time, but the exposure to the public has been severly limited.
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I remember people asking if the first weekend in April would be a good time to go to Kirkwood. I had to inform them that one of the biggest freeskiing events of the year was set to kick off that weekend. They had no idea.
Not surprised to hear that at all.

I remember when i first started skiing Kirkwood 5 or 6 years ago. I found it really interesting walking around the base area when the comp was going on that the average visitor probably had no clue as to what was happening just one ridge over from the base area. Some of the best skiers in the world were around the corner throwing down amazing skiing in some very serious terrain, and at the base area, it was just another spring day. No signage. No promotion. No nothing until the awards ceremony at the end of the day in the "village". They have done a better job though in more recent years with this so things are hopefully improving.

The Euro events on the other hand (Verbier Extreme for example) have huge projection screen TV's down at the base lodge where people can chill with a beer and watch the action. Imagine that at Kirkwood?
post #9 of 13
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The Euro events on the other hand (Verbier Extreme for example) have huge projection screen TV's down at the base lodge where people can chill with a beer and watch the action. Imagine that at Kirkwood?
the wood takes a long time to get things rolling. Essentially, YOU have to just take the initiative and do it. Stop making requests through whichever staff is believed to be responsible for the change.

back in '01 after I got my level III guiding/avi cert, I suggested beginning a campaign to bring avi education to the hill. They laughed at me. "Ski school is too busy as it is. And, do you have any idea what kind of legalities that requires?" Kind of ironic now, eh? That's what I get for suggesting. (That's not kirkwood though, that's just policy all over the world.)

Do it yourself, dude.
post #10 of 13
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...If you have any other ideas...
A thread tracking how the judging criteria are applied at specific venues, in particular in terms of how traverse-to-huck lines versus more fluid, "natural" lines are rewarded, could be good.



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I haven't seen the thread your referencing in the 'Ask a Pro' section but I'll take a peek.
In terms of the IFSA judging criteria, maybe a thread discussing why judges don't dock points for failure to utilize a 4-point landing also could be good? Context (and real-worl experience) can be everything...
post #11 of 13
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A thread tracking how the judging criteria are applied at specific venues, in particular in terms of how traverse-to-huck lines versus more fluid, "natural" lines are rewarded, could be good.





In terms of the IFSA judging criteria, maybe a thread discussing why judges don't dock points for failure to utilize a 4-point landing also could be good? Context (and real-worl experience) can be everything...
good ideas CTKook......thanks.

(regarding the 4-point landing....it's kind of outdated and doesn't really make sense for cliff drops as it could really jack your shoulder up...it's more of a mogul skiing thing IMO or to be used as a cue for someone just starting out. I don't think you even see it much in mogul comps there anymore unless they're throwing old school twister-spreads and what not. The important thing is to land balanced and your poles don't need to touch down with your feet to do that.)
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
good ideas CTKook......thanks.

(regarding the 4-point landing....it's kind of outdated and doesn't really make sense for cliff drops as it could really jack your shoulder up...it's more of a mogul skiing thing IMO or to be used as a cue for someone just starting out. I don't think you even see it much in mogul comps there anymore unless they're throwing old school twister-spreads and what not. The important thing is to land balanced and your poles don't need to touch down with your feet to do that.)
Re: 4-point landing, exactly, for cliff drops or park it's a good way to get jacked. That thread needs a lot of, uh, context.
post #13 of 13
I tweaked the forum name just a bit. Good luck getting this to go. Some really good ideas are in this thread.
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