SORRY, I got the letters wrong, EVERYTIME I tried to say slow line fast, I typed FLS. Even in the follow up post. I fixed it below:
Also, I changed my mind about using friction. Sure you can use friction to control speed.
Jeikevarri, I was not assuming slarving was easy, I figured it was like drifting a motocycle maybe. No, not like piste skidder. After reading your post, I understand that it is a small part of NS. So I was wrong when I said it was a big part of NS. My understanding is there are only a few models of skis that are good for this move, anyway. I won't call it skidding anymore, but it is a technique that slows you without changing direction so it's FLS as I see it.
tdk6, I'm sorry, NS is more about going across the hill, I get it now, more slow line fast SLF (did I spell it right this time? haha), due to higher speeds, planing, carving. OS uses friction to allow himself to stay in the fall line. It seems obvious now, sorry it took so long to understand. I got hung up on the idea of the McConkey turn which I believe is a kind of braking maneuver, albeit high speed and non-defensive. So, I was wrong about NS having much to do with FLS. I guess neither camp does much sideway drift in deep snow, Sorry I raised the whole bogus issue, and stink up your thread. Anyway, here's the edit, to try clean up my mess a little.
Originally Posted by telerod15
tdk6 wrote "Well offcourse I turn for speed controll but that has nothing to do with SLF or FLS. Making a lot of short turns down in the fall line (fast line) be it groomed, moguls or powder causes me to slow down. Depending on how much I want to controll my speed I eather make more turns (shorter turn radius) or finnish them more across the hill (C)."
Whether or not you use the turn to control speed has everything to do with FLS and SLF. With negative camber, reverse sidecut skis one can FLS. Go straight, then slam on the brakes in a huge powder hockey stop. It's a new tool that is very powerful. No wonder those that use it enthuse. This is only a part of NS, higher speeds, longer turns, planing, air are big parts. too. But FLS is a big part of it and it wasn't part of our powder tool kit.
A million? I count four. 1) SLF, yes a skier carving on the surface of deep snow is skiing SLF. I agree. My contention is an OS skier doing short radius turns may also be doing SLF. On old school skis, you can't ride them sideways in powder, you have to follow the ski, not carving like on piste, but not skidding either. It's a soft carve. And it is used to control speed.
2) FLF, this is the fall line turns you describe, not skidded and not deviating far from the fall line. About the quote that confuses you, about staying close to the fall line to control speed. In this case I'm using the word control to mean regulate. You stay close to the fall line to go faster which implied that you turn farther out of the fall line to go slower. Both are cases of controlling speed (controlling can mean increasing as well as decreasing). Sorry to be so confusing.
3) A good example of FLS would be wedging straight down the hill. A NS powder skier powergliding is another.
4) SLS would be wedge turns shaped like C's.
Of course, your carved powder turns might be FLF and mine might come a little more out of the fall line and be SLF. It's a matter of degree and as you impy, there are gray areas. Every turn can not be easily put into one of these 4 boxes.
How did we make short radius turns in powder with long radius skis? In deep snow the shape that the skis are bent into makes the edge curved into a tighter arc. Not about the sidecut. No, the carve is not like carving hard snow, but it's not skidding.
I also changed turning up, turning down to increasing, decreasing.