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Carbon fiber skis

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Are they coming? I see so many carbon fiber products - ski poles, bicycles, car parts, etc. just wondering when someone will market carbon fiber skis (or at least a carbon fiber top sheet)?

post #2 of 16
post #3 of 16
sadly it appears you have arrived to the party a day late...only to find all the leftover shrimp puffs have gone stale.

carbon skis have been around for quite some time.

1. Goode
they have been making carbon fiber skis since 1995 (that's about 12 going on 13 years, now)

2. DP
they have been making serious powder planks for several seasons now.

post #4 of 16
A better question is whether or not they are any good.
post #5 of 16
i have heard nothing but good things about the DP skis, but then they aren't a pure carbon ski (they have a wood core).

i have not heard much of anything (good or bad) about the Goode skis, though.
post #6 of 16
Many Fischer skis are CFC (Carbon Fiber Chassis), Half of the Hot Rod serries has CF incorporated. I am sure there are more.
post #7 of 16
My old Head Mpulse 7's are carbon jacket and I've had them for several years. I think the technology may have moved on (or at least some marketing departments would have you believe that).
post #8 of 16
I skied on a few pair of Goodes at a couple eastern on-snows. Not really my cup of tea, but they seemed to ski well enough in that extremely limited environ. Definitely notably different in feel and I can see that some would love it...its that "I'm skiing on my boots" feeling.

Wood core skis with carbon reinforcements are by no means exclusive to this DP company BTW. The question is: What benefits do carbon cloths bring to the table over glass cloths in this application? These DP skis aren't any lighter than comparable designs with glass reinforcements, and there are wood skis out there lighter than what they are selling.

The price from DP is high. It looks like a high quality design and the boutique flex options are nice...I'm sure plenty of gear freaks will bite.

Woven glass and CF cloths have serious limitations in any case. What I'd like to see is a torsion box ski constructed via filament winding as described in a whole bunch of patents including these:

Anyone know if the filament wound core has seen production and in what brands?
post #9 of 16
Fischer Skis has been using carbon fiber in various forms as a component in ski construction for some time now. They also have Fischer owned affiliates that produce carbon fiber components for commercial jet aircraft and Porches as well as other Fischer sports equipment.
post #10 of 16
DP never skied them cannot comment

Fishers have skied well to great so it works there.

Goode's carbon skis get though around in crud worse than any ski I ahve ever skied on, I bet touring in untrack and smooth powder they would be great though.
post #11 of 16

Goode Carbon Fiber

I bought the Goode 95 and 82 last year for backcountry skiing. I have dynafit bindings mounted on them and ski them with Scarpa Matrix boots. I consider myself a level 8 skier and usually ski Crystal Mountain or Whistler. Other skis I ski are Head IM-88's (Thanks Dawgcatching), Atomic SL-11, and Pocket Rockets.

I skied both near the end of the season with hard snow and spring snow conditions at Crystal Mountain and on the Muir snowfield on Mt Rainier, and on Mt St. Helens. I was surprised that both were very quick edge to edge and carved cleanly with modern techinque. I have heard, from previous comments, that they are unstable on hard pack at speed. I didn't find that at all. What I did notice, is that I can hear them flutter on the snow. I think that because of their carbon fiber construction that they are louder on the snow when in contact, and that some people mistake this for being unstable. Ignore your ears and trust your feet. These are stable skis. But I would not consider them to be forgiving skis. Don't get caught in the back seat or you will be punished.

I found them very fun on the hard pack and corn snow. However, icy double black diamond moguls were a little difficult, but no different than with my Atomic SL 11's. Haven't had the chance to try them in deep or crud but will do so asap.

They are a joy to skin uphill with or to carry on my pack. Half the fun is to have other people pick them up and be jealous about their lightweight. Of course, the dynafit binding help in that department.

I have heard concerns about their durability and I guess time will tell.

They do sell for a premium, but I was able to score them at the end of last season for a significant discount. If lightweight backcountry skis are what your looking for, and you have good technique, give these a try.

post #12 of 16
Nice JonnyMo...


how come you didn't REALLY splurge and get either:

the 116: http://www.goode.com/skisallmtn.htm#c116

the 142: http://www.goode.com/skisfreeride.htm#scoop

or the Monstro?: http://www.goode.com/skisfreeride.htm#monstro

(funny how the "Monstro" is only 120mm at the waist...you woulda thought that the 142mm model would be called "The Monstro").

(i do see that Goode lists the 96 as they "BC" ski, though.
post #13 of 16
BushW has it about right. Carbon's been here for a while. Many well-regarded skis use carbon stringers/sheets/axial wraps (think Fischer, Volkl, Prior, Blizzard, Head, Obsidian, for instance), and the DP's with wood cores are apparently pretty impressive. I'd guess Goodes apparently suck (haven't skied them) because they refuse to put anything in the core for dampening vibration. So they're playing with what Rossi figured out 30 years ago (perimeter weights to increase inertia of tips). Can't wait to see what they do with cutting edge ideas like fiberglass and ABS. :
post #14 of 16
Quick addendum: I've ridden bikes made of carbon, various steel alloys, and aluminum. As you'd expect from the materials, the steel frames weigh more but flex nicely. (Titanium works even better if you have the $). Alu and carbon both feel really light and rigid; serious rider friends tell me that they beat you up over distance cuz every bump gets sent straight up your legs/spine.
post #15 of 16
Well carbon has been mostly surpassed by titanal. It's really difficult to get the same quality (in terms of speed for racing) from carbon layers instead of titanal. Carbon skis/snowboards are just not damp enough for racing or icy sections. The same edgehold is also not really achievable (in general - the only and really only exception I know off is Goltes Slovenia - a very small fab turning out AFAIK less than 500 snowboards/skis per year). Then on the other hand carbon gives you more feedback and power coming out of a turn, thats fun but not intended for racing.

Goltes Snowboards has Snowboards with Carbon topsheets since some time, they look really cool. There are not only carbon skis out, but also alu/titanal/steel only skis - that perform absolutely great - but their costs is a lot higher than carbon which comes cheap.

Goode is definitely not the lightest skis, there exist much lighter but those skis are rather one descent only (like for Mt Everest).
post #16 of 16
I skied on some Goode's (68's I think) last spring in hard as rock, slick snow. I was skeptical till I skied on them, but they gripped as well or better than anything I've ever skied on & I thought they were quite stable for such a lite ski. I didn't want to give them back & probably would've bought them on the spot if they weren't so expensive. There torsional stiffness is incredible. Can't comment on their durability. Anyway, it may have been the tune, but that's what I thought FWIW.

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