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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
This year I'm in the market for a new pair of climbling skins, Looking for something that sticks to the ski well and does it jobs, dont really have much experience with them so any help is appreciated. Thanks!
post #2 of 16
I had thought about getting the K2 Cinche for my nephews board, but ended up getting a killer deal on the Flow bindings on SAC. He hasn't mounted them yet, but he seems pretty stoked about them.

From what I hear the Cinch bindings are better, but he's a college kid with tons of other needs so I gave him these bindings and some other necessities.
post #3 of 16
Skins, not bindings, right?
Black Diamond makes skins that are pretty well accepted as great performers. BD Ascension, either STS or clipfix would be a no-brainer way to go. Get a skin whose width will be within a few mm (less) than the ski shovel and trim to fit. For more info, do a search on TGR.
post #4 of 16
Darn. I thought it was about finding skins for split boards. I saw someone using those on a Never Summer Premiere split board but I didn't think to ask if they were specific to snowboards or just used some meant for skis.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by Bryan47 View Post
This year I'm in the market for a new pair of climbling skins, Looking for something that sticks to the ski well and does it jobs, dont really have much experience with them so any help is appreciated. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by dawnhill View Post
Skins, not bindings, right?
Black Diamond makes skins that are pretty well accepted as great performers. BD Ascension, either STS or clipfix would be a no-brainer way to go. .
Sounds about right. BD makes the glidelites and the ascensions. The 'skin/climbing side' is the same. The difference is the thickness of the base material. Either way you're stoked. Glidelites are a little cheaper. Ascensions are a little easier to deal with (because they are thicker, helps in the wind). But, like I said, they climb the same. Nobody else really compares with the BD skins.

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Darn. I thought it was about finding skins for split boards. I saw someone using those on a Never Summer Premiere split board but I didn't think to ask if they were specific to snowboards or just used some meant for skis.
Voile distributes skins designed for splitties. They happen to be the BD ascensions, with a unique tip for splits.

You can buy normal skins (extra wide, probably the 130mm size) and make them fit splits. Here's a how to
http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic...3461&highlight=
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Hi folks,

This was mistakenly posted in the snowboarder forum, so that should explain the snowboarder specific posts. Bryan is definitely looking for ski advice.
post #7 of 16
I like my G3s but can't offer apples to apples comparison with others.....but, the new G3 Alpinist skins are worth considering, IMO. I checked them out at OR last year and the tip clips are designed for fatter skis, versus the loops approach. The tail clips are adjustable and easy to secure and remove.

If you need to trim skins:
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Climbing Skins: measuring and cutting climbing skins can be easily facilitated and more convenient by securing the ski to a vise. With the ski secure, attach the tail as directed by the manufacturer and pull towards the tip to measure the bend at the tip bale in place. Cut the excess and peel back and cut off 12" (30cm) or so of the backing with the trimming tool. Lay the tip section on the ski base to assist the tracing of your tip template. Pull back the tip section, leaving an inch or so to keep the skin attached to the ski to help trimming the tip. Once the tip is trimmed, peel off the remaining backing and pull from tip to tail and lay the skin down, centered on the ski, and secure the tail clasp.
If trimming to fit a shaped ski, apply reasonable pressure to the side of the cutting tool against the ski edge with a finger while slowly and continually running down the length of the ski, trimming the skin to match the ski profile. Disengage the tail clasp & pull upward with the skin tip secure, and lay it back down on the ski, with the trimmed edge1/4" (.5cm) from the edge onto the base. Repeat the trimming process on the untrimmed edge. After it is trimmed, reposition the skin on ski. You should see equal edge exposed on either side of the skin.

Rub on bar wax to increase glide and reduce ice build-up. Paste wax or spray-on may also be used if you are at room temperature, but bar wax may be more practical when out and needing to reapply. The paste wax or spray may cover more of the skin fibers than a rub on will providing a little more waterproofing and coverage and might be worth some experimenting.
HTH
post #8 of 16
I have Black Diamond Glidelite skins with STS tail and find they repel water, stick well and are easy to apply. My recollection is that BD bought the Glidelite to obtain the patents, and used the glue and STS tail to improve the Ascension skins. They are almost indistinguishable except for the patterns on the Glidelites and a little bit of thickness.

One thing I disagree with from above, it was suggested get something a few mm narrower than the shovel. You can get something 10 or 15 mm narrower depending on the ski shape and maybe more. I think its common to buy skins too wide. The contact right at the shovel is not too important for several cms into the snow contact area. You need to cut 2-3 mm away from both sides to expose the edges, and finally if you cut skins so the tip is much wider than the tail, you will expose the glue to all kinds of contamination. Too wide is a waste of money. FYI, the trimming tool in Alpinord's post is usually just a plastic razor-blade envelope opener like this:



It is easy to slide the cutter along the edge of the ski to create the edge profile, then expose 2x the edge on the side you just cut, and cut the other side. When the skin is re-centered you have exactly exposed the edges.
post #9 of 16
I have the BD Ascensions, too, and they are great. I have the STS tail. The advantage is that they have some adjustability. The camming thing on the clipfix is really nice, but if you switch skis or (as I have found) there is some stretch, it's not as easy to adjust the fit.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot, Im going to be keeping an eye open for the BD glidelites and the ascensions. Witch ever comes my way first I'm pretty sure is what i'll end up with.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
I have Black Diamond Glidelite skins with STS tail and find they repel water, stick well and are easy to apply. My recollection is that BD bought the Glidelite to obtain the patents, and used the glue and STS tail to improve the Ascension skins. They are almost indistinguishable except for the patterns on the Glidelites and a little bit of thickness.

One thing I disagree with from above, it was suggested get something a few mm narrower than the shovel. You can get something 10 or 15 mm narrower depending on the ski shape and maybe more. I think its common to buy skins too wide. The contact right at the shovel is not too important for several cms into the snow contact area. You need to cut 2-3 mm away from both sides to expose the edges, and finally if you cut skins so the tip is much wider than the tail, you will expose the glue to all kinds of contamination. Too wide is a waste of money. FYI, the trimming tool in Alpinord's post is usually just a plastic razor-blade envelope opener like this:



It is easy to slide the cutter along the edge of the ski to create the edge profile, then expose 2x the edge on the side you just cut, and cut the other side. When the skin is re-centered you have exactly exposed the edges.
It should be noted, that a trimming tool comes with Black Diamond skins, there are various instructional videos available, if you search the web. Sorry, I'm to lazy to do it for you.
post #12 of 16
If you go the BD route (like I did) make sure to get the STS tail, the clipfix tends to have some compatability issues.
post #13 of 16
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If you go the BD route (like I did) make sure to get the STS tail, the clipfix tends to have some compatability issues.
I have a set with the clipfix and my wife has a set with the STS . We've never had any issues with either.

I would suggest you stay away from the BCA Low Fats. I went touring with a friend who had these and they wouldn't stay on his skis halfway through a tour, we ended up having to duct tape them to his skis to get home.

I know several people who have G3's with no issues.

I've had good luck with the BD ascentions. I've owned a couple pairs now and never had a problem.
post #14 of 16
I have hed several ascension skins with no problems ever. I currently have the glide light with the clip fix and like that too. BCA makes a very good skin as well. Be careful, my friend came to yurt ski from PA and swore his skins were good. They were yellow, they sucked. One time he slid backwards and fell on his face. My friend brought her cat who walked up the skin track with just its tail sticking above the visible snow surface. When Terry fell down, the cat simply walked right over him and continued up the track. It has to be the funnyest thing I've ever seen in the backcountry. A word about spray on stuff for skins... back around 94 I started experimenting with some silicon spray I had around my garage. It worked great. Lots of glide no problems climbing, then it ran out. On my way to go ski in the pass I got another can at Wilson Hardware. It was a different brand. It was all good until I got to the top of the run and peeled the skins and all the glue stayed on. It was very challenging skiing down. Then the skins would not reattach. Made climbing out very challenging. Now I use glob stopper.
post #15 of 16
I use and will continue to use BD ascension skins with STS tail attachment. My buddy's glidelights dont have the up hill grip of my skin but they do glide easier.
post #16 of 16
I'm partial to the G3 skins. Their tail clip is simple to use and have never had any issues with them at all...and I use them a lot. I just got in the new G3 Alpinist skins which have a new clip system for the tip of the ski which makes life easy.

BD's are great but I know a few people who've had issues with the BCA skins.
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