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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
If anyone knows this man, my condolences to his friends and family

in the icy conditions here in the northeast...Please be careful!!

boston globe article
post #2 of 27
This shows how Burke's best characteristic is also sometimes a problem.

The mountain has absolutely ZERO flat spots. It's a great mountain on a powder day for that reason, but I can see that in Icy conditions it would be a sure fire deathtrap. My condolences to family of the tragicaly deceased.
post #3 of 27
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Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
The mountain has absolutely ZERO flat spots.
Not quite true. My favorite trail, the amazing East Bowl, has a final section through the woods that requires some serious poling to get back to the main lift.
post #4 of 27
Does anyone know around what time this unfortunate event took place? Because I was actually at Burke on the 1st, but not until the early afternoon- chilling to think that this was going on while I was there, blissfully oblivious and happy to be starting another year on the hill. It was icy in places, but overall very skiable- nothing but condolences to all affected.
post #5 of 27
Worst ice conditions i've seen here in years yesterday and today. Pierre might have enjoyed the bumps today but I didn't venture out for safety sake. ski slopes were actually "rivers of ice" I can only imagine what it must have been like for the poor guy. And, worse yet, the patrollers who had to go in and get him.
post #6 of 27
He must have been going really fast with little attempt to self arrest to have slid that far. 200 to 300 YARDS? Leads me to believe he may have been knocked unconscious in the initial fall. Assuming the claims are correct.
post #7 of 27
Pretty sobering stuff. Makes you realize that while it is great fun, it's not all fun and games.
Last year at Sugarbush, VT a woman was killed a few days before I got there on what I thought was a pretty easy blue run. I ran it through my head a dozen times, where did it go wrong, what happened? Only she knows.
Was she tired? Distracted? In over her head?
Ski in control, and consider a helmet.
Let's be careful out there!
post #8 of 27
"HELMET" [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] GET ONE

[ January 02, 2003, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: bteddy ]
post #9 of 27
A lot of folks think eastern skiing is a joke.

I suppose a lot of places in the east pretty much are, although in fairness, you can get killed ANYWHERE.

But if you head up into VT/NH you better take that stuff seriously.

Avalanches may not be too much of an issue in the east but at many places there is little or no room for error with unforgiving terrain, snow that can sometimes be as hard and smooth as porcelain and trails narrow enough to fit in a one car garage.
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
not many weekend warriors carry ice picks, or ski poles sharp enough to self-arrest on some of the bulletproof that we are so often cursed (blessed?) with. (Very hard to understand exactly HOW bulletproof the groomers can actually become unless you've skied it.) Nor are they trained, actually, (unless they do a lot of off-piste.)

May he have an eternity of powder days and bluebird skies....
post #11 of 27
Regarding the Burke mishap:

I talked with a friend last night. He patrols at Burke, 'has for over 15 years and Loon before that.
He was not "on" that day, and relieved so.

The trail conditions were not rivers of ice" but an icy crust, just edgable. At my home mountain is southern Vermont, we were worried that if anyone went down, they too could go for the slide for life or......
We had most of the mountain roped off new years day to get trails "regroomed". As patrol, we had to ski every trail we closed as part of Trail Closing Procedure, Cautious is not a strong enough word for the way I approached the steep sections. How do you commit to a solid side slip? Edge first, then start moving, not the other way around.

200- 300 yard slides are easy in conditions like this, if the trail is straight. if the trail turns, you are in the woods, and there it ends, one way or another.

Last year in similar conditions, I witnessed two guests fall and miss the stop at the trail closing rope, slide under, and go down like a couple of hapless seals an additional 200 yards. My heart was racing watching from the lift. They got air on a couple of rollers. It was a wide trail (south bowl) with a flat runout. 'Just bruises, but we needed ropes and crampons to get them out.

CalG
post #12 of 27
I had a pretty bad slide for life last year at Mad River Glen. The mountain was a deathtrap. Every single trail was littered with moguls made of blue and yellow ice. I accidentally dropped my glove off the single onto the Chute, which was closed for the ice. I got down to where my glove was and had just got it back on my hand when I started to traverse for the woods. I had no desire to ski down the rest of the trail, as it gets steeper and steeper towards the end. About ten feet shy of the woods I lost my edges and my poles. I slide 800' down a 45° slope littered with what would amount to igloos if they had been hollow. I stopped sliding about 100 yards past the midstation, on the only flat spot on the whole mountain. Mercifully I was unharmed. I must've had the luck of the Irish that day (St. Patricks Day), because I should have been dead. The Ski Patrollers who retrieved my equipment for me looked at me like I was a ghost or something.

Ridding the lifts the rest of the day I heard a million ridiculous rumours about "that guy who fell down the Chute." I heard such untruths as "I heard he died." "I heard he's in a coma at the hospitol in burlington." "I heard he's a quadropalegic now." Needless to say most people on the lift didn't believe me when I told them that it was me that fell down the chute and that I was perfectly alright. I can't say as I blame them. It was a miracle to be sure.

I saw Eric Friedman, their marketing director, at the Boston ski show in November and he got the same look on his face when I described my fall. His eyes bugged out and he was like, "I heard about you. You're the one everybody was talking about. We thought you were gonna be dead by the time ski patrol got to you. You're so lucky to be alive." He then thanked me profusely for not being one of the A$$holes who sue ski areas.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
wow. would you go buy some lottery tickets for me???
post #14 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by LindaA:
wow. would you go buy some lottery tickets for me???
I don't buy lottery tickets anymore. I decided to quit while ahead. When I turned 18 I obviously bought a scratch ticket, and won the value of ticket (happens all the time, used to happen more cause they reduced the payouts last year). So obviously I bought another one. Same thing, so I did it again.

For 20 straight days I bought twenty straight scratch tickets from the same store, exact same ticket brand. On the twentieth day I didn't win the face value. I won $20. Right then and there I decided I would no longer tempt fate and just quit while ahead. I really am very lucky. But no, I don't think I'll be buying lottery tickets for anybody. Sorry.
post #15 of 27
As we all talk about dangerous situations on ski's I just wanted to send a word out to anyone skiing with kid's, please be cognizant of the conditions. I was in a very scary situation with a girl I was coaching who took a slide for her life a couple years back and it made me realize that no matter the level of their abilities "We" as coaches need to keep saftey first on the agenda! Be Safe!

Take Care & My Condolences
post #16 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
I had a pretty bad slide for life last year at Mad River Glen. The mountain was a deathtrap.
...

I must've had the luck of the Irish that day (St. Patricks Day), because I should have been dead.
That was a bad day. I went to Jay that day (hoping for something other than ice) skied until 3pm on ice and commented to a friend that we hadn't seen a downed skier all day then rounded the bend an there was a guy out cold and patrolers were working on him.

Went back to the lodge (at MRG) and asked how the skiing was and an instructor replied it wasn't skiing it was vertical ice skating.

Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of this week were the same. Then on Saturday we got rewarded with 20 inches of powder at MRG, made up for the previous three days of ice.
post #17 of 27
There really ARE a lot of A$$holes who sue or try to sue ski areas. Not everyone who sues a ski area is an A$$hole, though. There ARE things for which ski areas are, and ought to be, responsible. This is not a black and white issue. In Vermont today, the lawmakers have basically covered the ski areas to a large extent - but not completely. In those cases rare cases, if the ski area is liable, it SHOULD be. Let's be fair and reasonable.
post #18 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by MittersillManiac:
I had a pretty bad slide for life last year at Mad River Glen. The mountain was a deathtrap.
"Ski it if you can". If you can't - Don't.

Quote:
I slide 800' down a 45° slope
Summit Elevation - 3637'. Base Elevation - 1600'. That leaves 2037'. So you slid almost halfway down the Mtn.? Wow - scary. I daresay a miracle.

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I saw Eric Friedman, their marketing director, at the Boston ski show in November and he got the same look on his face when I described my fall. His eyes bugged out and he was like, "I heard about you. You're the one everybody was talking about. We thought you were gonna be dead by the time ski patrol got to you. You're so lucky to be alive." He then thanked me profusely for not being one of the A$$holes who sue ski areas.
I'm sure in the 7 months in between, you were the talk of ALL of Vermont, New Hampshire, and most likely, the rest of New England. Hell, as far as YOU know, the entire East Coast is STILL talking about you. So he was thanking you for not suing them after you ventured into a closed area? Wow - you know, I've seen a lot of prattle here & a lot of comments, but disregarded all of them until now. You know what? They were all true. You ARE most certainly.......DA MAN. Rock on, Bro - I look forward to your next tale of expertise, rollicking good times and not suing ski areas after having an accident O.B. You're the greatest.

[ January 06, 2003, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: EPSkis ]
post #19 of 27
Quote:
...You know what? They were all true. You ARE most certainly.......DA MAN. Rock on, Bro - I look forward to your next tale of expertise, rollicking good times and not suing ski areas after having an accident O.B. You're the greatest.
MM, seems everyone has your number now!

As for the original post:
This was a very sad and unfortunate accident. My condolences go out to the family.
post #20 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by EPSkis:
You ARE most certainly.......DA MAN. Rock on, Bro - I look forward to your next tale of expertise, rollicking good times and not suing ski areas after having an accident O.B. You're the greatest.
What a wonderful post. Thank you sir, you've certainly put me in my place. I especially liked the bold print. That really helped to make your wonderful point. Thank you so much for this well intentioned and totally necessary post. It seems flies like me can really be caught with vinegar after all. Hats off to you. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #21 of 27
[/quote]I'm sure in the 7 months in between, you were the talk of ALL of Vermont, New Hampshire, and most likely, the rest of New England. Hell, as far as YOU know, the entire East Coast is STILL talking about you. So he was thanking you for not suing them after you ventured into a closed area? Wow - you know, I've seen a lot of prattle here & a lot of comments, but disregarded all of them until now. You know what? They were all true. You ARE most certainly.......DA MAN. Rock on, Bro - I look forward to your next tale of expertise, rollicking good times and not suing ski areas after having an accident O.B. You're the greatest.[/QB][/quote]

And the point of this post is?

MM: I'd have done the same thing if it was my glove. Rain, shine, snow, ice. If I loose something, I'm goin' after it. Do you have leashes on your gloves? Extra super useful. Saves me alot of worry on lifts. Where I ski, you loose something nice, it's gonna get scarfed by somebody before you can get back to it.

On the original topic of this post, my condoliences (SP?) to the family of this man.

[ January 08, 2003, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Zacman1987 ]
post #22 of 27
Yeah I'm so much more careful with my gloves now. That was the single most frightening moment of my life. I don't wish to go through that ever again, as exhilerating as it was (in a twisted possible demented sort of way). I still shudder when I think about it. The worst part is, my poor mother was riding the lift right above me. I swear to God she was screaming louder than I was. Can anybody blame her?
post #23 of 27
Hey MM, I dare you to register and post at POWDERMAG Forums - they will have some fun with you fer sure! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #24 of 27
MM - Please don't thank me. Thank YOU! (No need to be so kind, really - You won't offend me, I promise.)

Zac - My point? I thought that was "mildly" obvious. My point was to say that I call BS on Mittersill's post. Get it now?

[ January 08, 2003, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: EPSkis ]
post #25 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by EPSkis:

My point was to say that I call BS on Mittersill's post
Sounds ike a fair call to me
post #26 of 27
Condelences to al people affected by this.
This year has started off very badly here too.
Too warm weather (which also cause a lot of rainfalls) too early and the snow was unstable enough to
have a lot of avalanches at low altitudes.
Now the newspaper are talking again about the mountain being
a men feeding goddess.
post #27 of 27
MM,
It's a pretty good argument for crampons in a small pack and a helmet...whenever one might visualize those conditions occuring.
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