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post #61 of 63
Not sure if I should do this, but here it is.

I really think that 2 footed skiing is better in all conditions. I have found that being able to approach equal weighting on hard pack becomes easier with shorter skis. On my longer stiffer skis I have to put much more weight on the downhill ski to get it to perform. As a result of trying to refine my ski technique I now ski on much shorter skis than I ever have and don't miss the big skis in any way. In powder or snow that you ski "in" a 2 footed "platform" with simultanious edge changes and a slightly unfinished turn is much smoother and easier than using independent leg action. Erlarier in the thread some one mentioned tele skiers not weighting evenly. A good tele skier is close to evenly weighted in nearly any condition. I find that its hard to pressure the back foot too much. In powder, tele or alpine a poorly wieghted inside ski likes to hook into the hill. This often results in the skier twisting to the inside and falling backwards down the hill. A more even weight distrubution, planing, and conservation of momentum will help with this problem. Up and down motions can be fun and are a good skill to know, but I think that side to side or lateral motion is more efficient and arguably better in all conditions. I don't like fat skis that much. I have some that are in the 99mm range. I like some thing in the 80-90 mm as being more versitle. I am trying to move away from having a big quiver. I ski a fair amount of powder and find it to be fairly easy. I see way more crud, windslab, variable snow. I pick a ski that can handle the poor conditions and the good days take care of themselves. On a big day here the powder goes very fast and the conditions are wildly different at the end of the day than the beginning. I like to ski bell to bell and don't want to be bothered trying to change gear.
post #62 of 63
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
umm wow where do I start. When are you and the rest of epic going to relize there isnt a 'proper technique" to everything. sinking in and out of powder isnt always the best technique, when you start to pigeon hole yourself to one style of skiing that is when progression stops. Its seems like you have done this...welcome to the Volklskier, Max 501, and Atomicman club. Your proper technique would never keep up with my "inproper" technique, not to metnion you will have used more energy at the end of day.

the best freeskiers in the world do what works, what is efficient and what can produce the most lateral force when they turn. Kinda of like a racers. another thing the best freeskiers do is adapt technique to what equipment/ terrain they are on, not just do the same old **** on the same old **** and hope it works...like much of this board expects.

On the silverfox thing they is no such thing as better, I dont want to call out someone i never even seen or know but just saying, if anyone plans to follow me and carves all day, not only will they be slower, there will be places they flat out wont be able to ski. so if I can "fake" going down a billygoat line, and you cant go down it all becasue your arent willing to do anything but proper technique, then who is the better skier now?

You 100 percent correct on what wideskis do, go back this thread


wider skis make thing easier, why would anyone want to use a ski that made things harder on themselves is beyond me. Most people here ski to have fun(that would be me).

so to summarize

1. no such thing as proper technique it either works or doesnt works
2. Freeskiers rip and have a better clue than you
3. dont ski the samw way all the time
4. wide skis rock
I am behind you all the way on this one. I agree with virtually everything you said here.
post #63 of 63

Yep, this'll work...

Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
When I ski fresh powder or soft crud it looks like a GS turn... angles, similar pressure distribution, body position, SPEED, etc. Of course most would argue that isn't the "right" way to ski powder, but it sure is a hell of a lot more fun that way. At lower speeds - sure you can use equal weighting - but just as with groomer skiing when you crank up the intensity of the turn you need to manage that intensity by staying in balance. If this means more outside ski pressure, then so be it.
...I've done business this way, and I've also done the two skis weighted thingie. A lot of it depends on the snow and the gear you're using. The Eskimos don't have a word for snow, they have something like 33 different words for all the different forms of snow that they encounter. Also true of powder. If you're "only" skiing 6 inches, but it's very windblown and dense, then it feels like a couple of feet. On the other hand, I've skied waist-deep Colorado champagne that would blow right back in your tracks it was so light...in this stuff, you just make whatever arcs turn you on, because it's hero snow and anything will work.

Likewise with gear. I have two pairs of powder skis, a pair of 168 cm. Atomic R:Exs that are about mid-fat and have something like 19 meters of sidecut and a GS construction. Great ski for the trees, but beefy enough that you can cruise on them. I also have a pair of 175 Head Monster 88s that I use when it gets real deep or dense. However...some times I get off in the fluff on some of my other stuff, and that'll work, too. A couple of weeks back, a bunch of us at Team Eldo were noodling around on SL skis, and it started snowing...hard. So we just went out and skied it. A SL ski isn't bad in powder, because it's got a fat tip and good sidecut. So, as Greg says, I feel like I'm doing more of a carved turn on SLs than I do on my Heads, which works fine...I just have to make sure to finesse the entry to the turn on SLs so I don't auger in or get launched.

It may seem like an unlikely idea, but DH skis are the ultimate, as far as I'm concerned, powder tool. A bunch of years back, I was at Steamboat for a Masters DH. At the time, the concept for DH skis was "long and wide", which I eagerly bought into. I was then using a pair of 223 cm. Rossi Equipe DHs, which was actually a good ski to learn downhill on, because they were so stable that if you just stayed in the middle front to back and kept your feet apart, they'd carry you through just about anything nasty.

Anyway, after our first training day, they get out the cats and buff the course to a high gloss. That night, it snows 14 inches. So, of course, the next day, we have to slip the course for about two hours before we can do our nonstops. So we finish training, go back up to get our rucksacks, warmups, backup skis, etc....and they still haven't pulled the course closures. And wouldn't you know it? Outside of the course on either side there's about a 30 meter swath of unbroken powder on top of a pristine base. What to do? Guess we gotta ski it! Worked great, too...big wide skis with soft tips, lots of float...of course, you gotta get them rolling and stay in the fall line, but it was an incredible kick. My teammate and I made figure 8s all the way down that you could see from the moon...
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