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Fischer Soma's

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Thread Starter 
Is anyone using the Fischer Soma ski boots and which model would you recommend for me? I have a serious "Duck Walk" stance and was wondering if the Somas make much of a difference in correcting this. I have wanted to try these but have been warned that these boots are very low in the instep area and I have very high insteps. The boots also feel very heavy when compared to others. I'm 220lbs, ski aggressively and do some racing. I'm looking for a high performance boot but don't want to sacrafice to much in the way of comfort. I'm currently skiing on Nordica Hot Rods.
post #2 of 8
Can you provide more info about your feet? Narrow, medium or wide heel? Ankles? Narrow, medium wide forefoot? Long medium short toes?

There are various ways adjust a boot for those with instep issues. In fact, just about any foot shape related anomaly can be effectively dealt with so long as the boot isn't too long or too wide . The trick is to find a boot that requires less rather than more modifications and possesses the requisite stiffness and flex characteristics that will improve your skiing.

I've skied in the Fischer MX Pro and Fischer RC4 Worldcup (a non-plug "race" boot, narrower generally than the MX-Pro) for the last two seasons. Neither Fischer boot is heavy as boots go but they are heavier than the Full-Tilt (formerly Kneissl and before that Raichle) Flexon which remains the gold standard for light boots. Both Fischer models have insteps that are likely lower than average but not by much, IMHO. They would not fit well over the instep (at least out of the box) if your instep is really high.

Fischer boots may or may not be the right boot for you but they are well made and probably worth trying on. Soma works but there are also other boot companies making boots with greater than average abducted stance. Most boots are abducted at least a little. Fischer's approach to abduction is different than most and more pronounced than many (depending on the particular Fischer model).

The Fischer website this season provides info on mid-foot width as well a Fischer's flex index system (every company has their own so a 120 Fischer Flex may not be comparable to a Lange or Nordica or other manufacturer's 120 Flex). Having said that, if you do any racing I would look at one of the stiffer boots boots 120, 130 or possibly more.

If the instep is the only major issue, a competent boot fitter can likely easily make that problem disappear. If the boots just don't fit well for your feet check out something else. Good luck.
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply, just to give you a baseline I'm currently skiing in a 2007 Nordica Hot Rod (flex 115). I had to have the instep stretched on both boots and have the outside of the forefoot widened slightly on the left boot (my left foot is slightly wider and longer), the right boot has a thin paper spacer under the liner. I also had new custom footbeds made when I purchased the boots. My previous boots had 3-4 degrees of canting (sole planing) in the right boot while the left had .5 degrees. I should mention also that my previous custom footbeds in these boots were really were poorly fitted and contributed to the canting issues. I haven't done any canting yet on the new Hot Rods, still working on the fit and seriously considering the Fischers. My foot width is just on the wide side of medium, very high instep, high arches, I'm not sure how to judge toes but I would guess medium to long? I have a duck walk stance, more so my right foot, which i can turn around completely backwards! I'm guessing I have a narrow heel and ankle, I always have alot of movement in that area no matter what boot I'm in. I also have fairly large calf muscles. I'm 5' 10", 215-220 lbs, ski hard most of the time and do some recreational racing. I want performance but comfort is very important. With the duck walk problem in my right foot, I get a lot of pain and pressure in my little toe and the area just behind and into the outer forefoot area (I think they call this the sixth toe?) from my foot being forced into the outside of the shell. On my previous boots I had this area punched out but it only added to the problem as I had more movement in that area and more pressure. Both feet experience some cramping in the arches and numbness. Other than some serious sprains I've never really had any injurys to my foot and ankle. I did however have a serious injury to my pelvis and hip. If you have any advise, I would appreciate it. I'm hoping the Fischers may be the answer but from what I'm reading fit could be a problem fit?
post #4 of 8
I had the same problem with sixth toe syndrome. I went to see Jeff Bergeron in Breck and he recommended the Soma RC4 race. It solved the problem perfectly. Still needed some punching but clearly the right choice
post #5 of 8
My best advice would be to locate a dealer that carries Fischer boots and cross reference with Epic's list of recommended bootfitters. Hopefully, you will find a match. From what you describe, it sounds like you could be a good candidate for a Fischer boot with instep adjustments and some other tweaking. Instep issues can be dealt with by lowering the footboard, thinning out the liner above the instep, stretching the shell or some combination of the three approaches. With the significant difference in sole canting between your two feet and other issues you mentioned getting a good bootfitter seems first and foremost.

Take heart though, your foot/leg characteristics are nothing that a well qualified person cannot deal with without difficulty. Certainly Jeff Bergeron in Breckenridge Colo., fits the bill. He doesn't sell boots, I don't believe but is regarded one of the country's top bootfitters. When it comes to sole canting Bud Heishman owner of Snowind Sports in Reno, NV is certainly at the top of the list. He's canted several pairs of boots for me over the years and has so at several Epic Ski Academys. He can cant any boot model, if canting is needed, whether he carries the brand or not. On the East Coast in New England there is GMOL in Stratton, Vermont that is very highly rated. There are certainly quite a number of others, so check out the list here at Epic. good luck.
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info!
post #7 of 8

Both the Fischer and Nordica brand make abducted (duck footed) stance boots. Fischer offers this stance in their complete line up, and Nordica offers this in their Aggressor models.
The Fischer RC4 and Heatfire models both have lower insteps, but the MX Pro is slightly wider and higher in the instep. I have been able to fit some fairly high insteps in the MX Pro with minor modifications.
The Nordica Aggressor is moderate in the instep, but the shell material is thicker as this is a race performance boot, so instep modifications are more difficult to achieve.

With a properly constructed footbed and the upper cuff properly adjusted (MX Pro has dual sided cuff adjustment, big plus) I think that you would find that your canting requirement would be greatly diminished.
Fischer's MX Pro has removable toe and heel plates, and I have been able to produce and insert cant strips, then re-cut the toe and heel lug to D.I.N. spec to achieve canting without boot sole planing. It's a slick trick that I did on my Fischer Soma 9000's and on my new Fischer Progressors.

Can you tell I am a Fischer ski boot dealer and bootfitter?

If you have any further questions, let me know.

Brent Amsbury
Park City Ski Boot
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Do you make house calls, I'm in the Mid-West? I'm picking a pair of new Fischer RC4 130's (not the plug boot)via this site. Sounds like I'm in for trouble, what can I expect when they show up? I'm currently skiing a 2007 Nordica Hot Rod which I'm told is out of the same mold as the Dobi Pro 130 (now the Aggressor), would my boots already have the duck stance correction built in?
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