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post #31 of 76
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Vail Backbowls gotta be up there on that list. Man, that HUGE cornice drop makes me pee my pants. Oh, and the steepness is insane!
Keep the ice ax handy for self arrest. Or, lite up a spliff and arrest yourself.
post #32 of 76
I say it's a tie between the north face of Robson and one of the back bowls at Vail.
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Yup carvemeister is right.....they measured it last year around 75 degrees.
Was that fahrenheit or celsius?
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...Thats not me I swear. He is a maggot, not the poster known as maggot. Speaking of which, maybe I should change my screenname.
1BF?
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I really hope you're not serious about any of that. Because if you are you're making all us ECer's look like a bunch of toolsheds. If you aren't serious, you need some serious help with conveying sarcasm.
Nice way to introduce yourself with your second post ever. I'm going to do my best to avoid stumbling across your first one. Could be I need a little help, but if I decide to seek it, at least now I know where not to look. :

Any better?
post #36 of 76
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If you aren't serious, you need some serious help with conveying sarcasm.
RULE: When words intended as sarcasm are construed as serious, the speaker shall acknowledge the observer's view and apologize unless the speaker lobbed a freakin' softball.

He mentioned "locals wearing parachutes" in the first line of that post. You lose, but thanks for playing.
post #37 of 76

maybe for a few feet...but white heat is not steep...i have skied it and it is not that exiting. people who claim that it is the steepest trail in the east, let alone north america, have not actually skied anything worth while!

post #38 of 76

RTS at Willamette Pass in Oregon.   Supposedly 52º.

 

A speed of 116.5 mph was hit on it during the 1993 speed skiing championships, and it isn't very long.   Here are some pics from when I did it a few months ago.

 

Looking down from the chairlift

 

Looking down RTS

 

Over halfway down

 

 

Clearcut to slow yourself down from 100+ mph

 

post #39 of 76

Here's a good view of the steepness.    Note the trees.

 

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Outer Limits at Killington, by far the steepest in-bounds run in all of North America.

What are you some kind of a nut? Everybody knows that the steepest/widest in the Northwestern hemisphere is not Tuckerman's Ravine, and certainly not Outer Limits, but it is in fact the legendary White Heat at Sunday River. And that's a scientific fact.

 

I skied White Heat at Sunday River.  It is nothing compared to a number of runs in the West.  Just about any run at Squaw's Palisades is steeper and definitely scarier, although not as long.   Western skiing is just on a different level as far as mountain size, steepness and exposure are concerned (does not mean that West is any more dangerous, ice, trees, narrow trais, and crowds in the East more than make up for it).   

post #41 of 76

From personal experience, that face off the tram at Snowbird, skiers left, had room for about a hundred of us to ski our own powder lines, steepness must only be 35 to 40, but it is hugely wide (500 yards?) and decent length. there must be a half dozen like that in bounds, and that should be what we're after.

 

Need pictures though, or boring, guys.

 

I'll add a steepness picture just for finding a reference that gives a decent perspective on angle. Me puking when I look into the chute is another steepness indicator.http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/3270034605_917f575728_o.jpg

post #42 of 76

well, i don't claim to know what the steepest in NA is, but on my home hill (Squaw Valley) it's gotta be Eagle's Nest.  the High Line and Freebird lines (skiers left on photo below) are 68 degrees at the top according to Robb Gaffney, and he knows the mountain as well as anyone.

obligatory stomach-churning photo:

www.laketerraceapts.com/skier666/Miles_day2_0002.jpg

post #43 of 76

Just curious as to why the OP is asking about the WIDEST steep trail?  Are they looking for a ski trail they can "ski" as opposed to one they fear too much to try?  I think width cancels out steepness quite a bit myself due to the ability to make huge traverses all the way down the hill. 

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Just curious as to why the OP is asking about the WIDEST steep trail?  Are they looking for a ski trail they can "ski" as opposed to one they fear too much to try?  I think width cancels out steepness quite a bit myself due to the ability to make huge traverses all the way down the hill. 

Haulin-ass while making wide ski bending carved turns.....is the best IMHO.   Also if you happen to catch an edge or whatever you are less likely to end up smashing into the side of a mountain or trees at 60+ mph.

 

post #45 of 76

I figured skiers appreciate that the wider slope has room for more first tracks (fall line runs), if well-farmed. Like that day at Snowbird, people just hiked in a line (the entire cable car load) across the ridge, slipped to skiers left in an organized manner, and peeled off one at a time as they got to fresh. Pretty cool.

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Just curious as to why the OP is asking about the WIDEST steep trail?  Are they looking for a ski trail they can "ski" as opposed to one they fear too much to try?  I think width cancels out steepness quite a bit myself due to the ability to make huge traverses all the way down the hill. 



 

post #46 of 76

Here's a shot of a slope (trail doesn't describe it) with space, though these conditions occur rarely. 50+ degrees on far skiers left, a mellow 40 on the other end, lots of 70+ degree drops, about 700 vert, about a half mile across, roughly.

 

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/3530733935_305f1870b6_o.jpg

post #47 of 76

Yeah, Richie is looking for a wide slope so he can farm fall-line powder turns. Haha. Dude likes to carve big arcs. The wider the slope, the bigger the arc, duh.

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Ok where is it?
Your mom is the steepest widest run in the North America...







Sorry, that was too easy...


Not as easy as your mom was... ba dump dump.

 

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Your mom is the steepest widest run in the North America...







Sorry, that was too easy...
Ummm, no, that would be Paris Hilton. :


How bout Dolly Parton?  She's got some pitch.

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Funny you should mention that, you must have ESPN. A lot of the locals do sometimes strap on a small parachute when they ski White Heat just in case they catch an edge. I know out west they also use an old pair of boots with spurs attached to them for the same reason. I think you'd look silly in the east with spurs on though since they're more of a western thing and they wouldn't help you anyhow on something as insanely steep as White Heat. A small Army surplus parachute is the way to go if you are going to head up to Sunday River.

What are you some kind of a nut? Everybody knows that the steepest/widest in the Northwestern hemisphere is not Tuckerman's Ravine, and certainly not Outer Limits, but it is in fact the legendary White Heat at Sunday River. And that's a scientific fact.
I really hope you're not serious about any of that. Because if you are you're making all us ECer's look like a bunch of toolsheds. If you aren't serious, you need some serious help with conveying sarcasm.

careful there prisnah (sound like the delivery guy in Christmas vacation),

 

if you piss Carvemeister off, he won;t let you smell the seat

 

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Haulin-ass while making wide ski bending carved turns.....is the best IMHO.   Also if you happen to catch an edge or whatever you are less likely to end up smashing into the side of a mountain or trees at 60+ mph.

 


Sounds like you're asking about steep, wide groomed runs?  A few of those come to mind, but they need a winch cat:
 

 

* Cornice bowl at Mammoth gets groomed pretty regularly, it's steep & wide.

 

* Regulator Johnson at Snowbird, this may be the powder run that davluri is talking about but it gets grooomed a lot.

 

* Wildflower DH at Snowbasin has got to be my favorite high speed, steep groomer. Probably 45 degrees in the steepest section, & gets groomed most days.

 

* I don't know if Headwall at Squaw ever gets groomed, but it would fit the bill.

 

There must be others, but those are some I can think of.  Birds of Prey at Beaver Creek maybe?  Anything at Jackson Hole or Whistler/Blackcomb?  Big Sky?  Aspen Highlands?  Telluride?

 

JF

post #51 of 76

How does North Face at Alyeska sound for a conteder?  About a mile wide, don't know the degrees, but you see the whole world is between your tips before you push off.    This pic is just a little piece of it, it keeps getting steeper as you go left.

 

GoTo Alyeska, Upper Tram Website
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I really hope you're not serious about any of that. Because if you are you're making all us ECer's look like a bunch of toolsheds. If you aren't serious, you need some serious help with conveying sarcasm.
Nice way to introduce yourself with your second post ever. I'm going to do my best to avoid stumbling across your first one. Could be I need a little help, but if I decide to seek it, at least now I know where not to look. :

Any better?


With that answer, I don't see why the widest would be a requirement? Your arcs can only get so big before they turn into a traverse.  As long as its not bumped out, just about any steep chutes with a run-out should suffice. Avy's usually take care of the trees. One usually falls down.  Are you going to fall across the fall line for a 100+ yards? Falling sucks when you are going that fast reguardless of the width. Sustained verticle and tumbling over rocks makes it that much worse ( or fun if you don't fall) . You should be more worried about exposure than width. Got to watch those cliff bands.

post #53 of 76

 

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Outer Limits at Killington, by far the steepest in-bounds run in all of North America.

 

Second this totally. When I skied it there was like a 90* 1-2 ft drop like every 5 ft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or was that just the other end of the mogul...

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Outer Limits at Killington, by far the steepest in-bounds run in all of North America.


BWAHAHAHAHA! Well played, very funny.

post #55 of 76

If the criteria is Steep and WIDE.  I would say one of several bowls off the summit @ Mammoth CA.  Not the STEEPEST  but 40 to 50 deg for quite a while and VERY wide when the snow is deep.

 

Couple Examples

post #56 of 76

I saw a really fast groomer at Solitude, steep, wide and pretty much empty except for some racer types going really fast. Probably the fastest skiing I've seen in real life. You would love that one, Richie. I didn't ski any groomers that day, but it looked like something I would enjoy if I had the cojones.


Edited by telerod15 - 5/14/2009 at 09:33 pm GMT
post #57 of 76

How bout Whoopdedoo at Sugar.  It's kinda like Outer Limits.  Nice for arching big loops.  But REALLY steep, not so much.  I haven't seen anything official, word of mouth puts it at around 60%. 

 

 

It isn't the most difficult run on the planet, but I'd advise not trying it on your first day ever.

 

post #58 of 76

some of those flickr pics above are mind-bogglingly steep, sheer vertical faces ... not much skiing down those i presume, well to the brave ones - hats off..

 

anyway, how does one judge pitch angle? and just on casual observation how steep do you pros think this is..

 

ski lech zurs dax black

 

 

post #59 of 76

I'm sure there's some bowl at some resorts I haven't been to, but at Sunshine Village in Canadian Rockies, there's one bowl called "Delirium Dive" that's quite steep and very wide as well. Here's a picture of it:

 

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5A2b4cK2Nsc/RhclecIowgI/AAAAAAAAAGc/zrBhIWOpUns/DSCF0109.JPG

 

 

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Haulin-ass while making wide ski bending carved turns.....is the best IMHO.   Also if you happen to catch an edge or whatever you are less likely to end up smashing into the side of a mountain or trees at 60+ mph.

 

 

On the run I posted (RTS) making wide turns will leave you going close to 70mph near the bottom, but that's only if the run has a good layer of snow over the iced mogul field (never happens).       Ski patrol has special training and a specific sled just for the run.   The sled has 600 feet of climbing rope tied to it to lower individuals to a safer, less steep section where they can safely be pulled off.    BUT... I was told by the SP that they've only needed the sled a few times over the last decade.  

 

And I quote:  "Almost all of the wrecks on that run leave the skier at the bottom... mangled" - Ski patrol. 

 

If you wanted wide, steep GROOMED runs, try the summit lift at Mt. Bachelor.   You can ski from the summit to the base of rainbow chair on WIDE blue runs equalling roughly 3300 feet of vertical in one go. 

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