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Last wednesday the pow in the Vail Back Bowls was knee+ deep. It was on the heavy side and where the wind was into it quite packed with big crunchy bumps underneath.

Things I noticed.

People on fat skis (10.Ex etc) did not float better than myself on all mountain Scream 10s. When traversing along the ridge lines I quite often went past people on fat boards that had "sunk".

Conclusion: Fat boards do not make it easier to float in variable pow.

People on fat skis where having a hell time skiing the knee+ pow covered crunchy bumps. My Scream 10s ripped it up with lots of forgivness when hard hidden bump tops where hit.

Conclusion: Fat skis do not handle variable conditions as well as all mountain skis.

There where many skiers on fat boards yet I had the best tree runs virtually to myself.

Conclusion: Fat boards are a handful in the trees.

The next day, Friday. Was perfect sunshine and with the whole frontside groomed. Guess what? The lift lines where full skiers on fat boards.

Conclusion: Its not the ski.

What do all you fat bored skiers think?

Oz :

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 23, 2002 11:42 AM: Message edited 2 times, by man from oz ]</font>
post #2 of 9
Hello Oz,

Interesting observations. Were the folks you watched using the fat boards real skiers or merely gapers? That would explain why some, if not all, had trouble under the conditions you described.
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I've noticed quite a few women at Vail cruising the groomers on thier Pocket Rockets. I'd venture to guess they have a sport utility in the garage (and were puttering in the left lane the whole trip from Denver... :

In fact I don't know why salomon bothers with all this 3d research and torsional rigidity nonsense when they can just paint a ski British Racing Green, call it the Land Rover edition, tack 50% on the price and watch the money roll in....
post #4 of 9
oz, have you tried a direct comparison of skis yourself? That will tell you way more than comparing yourself to others.
post #5 of 9
Yeah, it was pretty sick how many people were out there on fat skis that day. For that matter, I saw a TON of Salomon Pilot Crossmax 10's with no rental logos.. it looks like a ton of folks plunked down a lot of cash to get the biggest and the best. There's definitely a huge Landrover crowd
waiting to be exploited. Hm, maybe I should see if I can get a ski company to whip up some skis with my own graphics. I think it would be pretty easy to take a pair of Elan's, slap some custom graphics on 'em, and mark 'em up 500%.

On Thursday I was skiing China and Siberia bowls with some 4 year old Volant PowerKarves. At the time they were a really fat ski, now they're pretty average. I think some fat skis would have definitely helped though - it was pretty deep. It's one ski I've never needed enough to want to purchase, but the times I've borrowed them it's been nice.

I've actually been thinking about getting a pair of Pocket Rockets. I skied on them for a day earlier this year and was amazed at how well of an all-mountain ski they are. I hit everything from powder to crusty shit on moguls and groomers and they performed very well all around.

Anyway, here's a pic of me from Vail last Thursday playing in China Bowl:

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You are correct. I should try the fats out myself. I have skied the Bandit XXX BUT not in any real pow.


My post was not a ski manafacturer comparison. I am on the Scream 10s because I got them free. (long story) They are a nice all mountain ski amongst a group of nice all mountain skis. There is no way I could afford a pair at retail price.


Nice shot. A little "shot hawk" like but out there and into it whilst many others where floundering. When I saw all the blue ski in your thursday pic I realised my original post should have read Wednesday. I was at the Beav thursday running Nastar with some kids all day.

I was just a little suprised as I traversed past skiers on fats and noted the "sink" factor. My all mountains seemed to ride the wind packed variable very well. Of course weight of the skier is a factor. I am about 180lbs and pretty lean.

My other observation was that on the pow day the rippers where more likely to be on all mountain skis. (XX, 10.20, Screams etc)

Another seasonal observation was that I have had nill clients in lessons or privates on fat skis, even at level 8 & 9 lessons.

Sure of course there is the skier factor which I attempted to take into account. My conclusion was that the fats where false hope for many aspiring all mountain skiers. Which brings me back to some of the discussions regarding not taking lessons but rather worshipping the false god of instant gratification marketing.

Are people making the choice to purchase false hope over dedicating the time to upskill and so be true all mountain skiers?

A fat ski in pow wont help none if your always in the back seat.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 23, 2002 11:50 AM: Message edited 2 times, by man from oz ]</font>
post #7 of 9
Maybe the fat buyers have the toughest time in powder and crud and so purchased skis that are touted as tamers of those particular conditions?

Generally, though, "it's not the plane, it's the pilot."

I took my old Kahunas out for some powder runs a couple of weeks ago, clicked into the demo bindings, and took two balky runs before I checked and sure enough the bindings were several cm. back of center for my boot.

I got myself to a Phillips screwdriver, fixed the problem and carried on. No doubt about it, the fats are easier to ski in powder than the all-mountain competition. I wouldn't go out and buy a pair unless I was going to ski Valdez, but I wouldn't knock them.

By the way, I hang onto the Kahunas with the demo bindings for clients on powder days. They have a blast on these skis.
post #8 of 9
A bit more speed may be a factor as well.
post #9 of 9
I agree with jyd - speed might be the reason they were sinking (lack of it). Also, most of the people you saw sinking were probably gapers because the real rippers on fatties would probably be blowing by them. That said midfats are wide enough for powder (more face shots too), they just aren't as good for high-speed powder runs (ie. surfing style turns, straitlining, etc...).
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