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post #31 of 55
For on trail skiing in the east, there's a way to get versatility out of a single pair of skis. The key is in the binding. I have a pair of Dynamic VR17 slaloms in 173cm. These are slalom carvers and not a race ski with a 12M turn radius. I have Atomic race bindings on them and they can be adjusted as much as 5cm fore and aft. With the bindings all the way forward, the skis carve very tight turns. With the bindings all the way back, I can go very fast and still carve GS-ish turns. They're actually pretty good in the moguls and trees with the bindings in the middle position. The Atomic bindings can be moved without tools and don't require any forward pressure adjustments. I thought it was a gimmick until I tried it.
post #32 of 55
I've been looking to add another pair to my quiver and I haven't yet rode that K2 Outlaws. I have heard mixed reviews but over all I have heard that they are "soft". To soft for agressive skiers,

Thoughts?

Getting some H2O in No Cal and it snowed yesterday in the San Berdo Mts, NICE!!
post #33 of 55
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post #34 of 55
the apache outlaw and the recon are great for the terminal intermediate semi-drunk skier ... K2 writes them off as "Expert" skis, but I know a grand total of ONE good skier who actually rides on them, and he's getting rid of them. They're soft (both flex and torsional rigidity) and they're damp (read: dead and/or lifeless).

I'd skip 'em. I rode them for about half a day and said screw it and went back to my Volkl's cause I was wasting good snow.
post #35 of 55
Entire quiver up for sale, individually or together:

Last season's Elan Magfire 10, 160 cm w/bindings. Used three times last season due to owner's temporarily disabling illness.

Three season old Elan S12, 160 cm w/bindings. Used, but good shape and bases excellent. Most dependable skis I've ever owned.

Three season old Head Monster iM Chip 77, 170 cm w/bindings. Used maybe four times. Great shape.

Original K2 Mod 7/8, 168 cm w/bindings.

No REASONABLE offer refused. My crate, your freight. PM me.
post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
i'm curious, what mountains are all you folks with only 195cm+ skis in your quiver riding?

granted before i switched to "shaped" skis last season I'd been on 198cm Rossi's, but anything over 185cm just seems HUGE for the type of everyday resort skiing we have here in Cali and the stuff I've ridden in Utah, Colo, and Whistler.

i've ridden Mammoth with folks on 195+ skis and it's like just when they get going they're at the bottom of the hill.

either some of y'all are BIG folks (6'7"ish) or you're skiing HUGE hills (please tell me where they are!) or have enough money to be flying out to AK every weekend.

which is it?

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Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
I have the same question for epic folks, and especially for the maggots over at TGR...
Where are you guys skiing the 195+ cm long, 110+ mm waisted skis....
Are y'all over 250#?.....
Tell me, tell I and I.... maggot, jer...?
How many turns top to bottom....4 or 5??

Whom RAH bless, etc..
Where to start?

Ok, first, I don't think a skis width makes it all that much harder to handle. Something 110 underfoot, 185cm, with a full tiwn tip, and really soft, is going to be a very forgiving ski, they're just going to float as well.

Second, I don't think big skis are really all that different from little skis. Sure, if you go from some 160cm carvers to 193 im103s its going to feel like a huge leap, but it wasn't long ago (three years) that I was using 175 x scream xtra hots as my one ski quiver. I started getting annoyed with the way they'd flop and bounce around at speed, so I got some AK Rocket Swallowtails. I really thought the AKs were going to dominate me, but after no more than a run or two, I was having a blast and felt like they were pretty easy to ski. Well the same thing happened a few more times, I realized I wanted a bit more stability at speed, and I bought a pair of skis that I was almost sure were going to be too much for me, just to ski them and realize they were a blast. So, eventually, I wound up with the 194 squads. Honestly, I would like them about 10% softer, but they're close enough the way they are. (BTW, when you actually ski them, they still feel stiff, but not as stiff as when you hand flex them). The biggest difference I've noticed skiing bigger skis, is that when you first get on them, they don't feel that much harder to ski, but at the end of the day, you are a lot more tired. After a few days you get used to it though.

Anyways, I'm fairly small, about 5'10", and 155lbs. I do tend to prefer steep, wide open terrain, with as few moguls as possible. I rarely head into the trees at all.

I actually find that all my skis (moments and iggies excepted, I haven't skied those yet) will make shorter, lower speed turns fine. They don't really come alive (especially the squads) till you get up some steam, but its not like you have to hop turn through anything narrower than a football field.

Anyways, I think skis like the B squads are WAY overhyped. People talk about them like you have to be some inhuman god to ski them, or some hulking giant. Just not true. Besides, the im103s feel like they are way more work to ski, but its the squads that have the rep of being the biggest and burliest. Its silly.
post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Some of you guys and gals have 5+, even 10+ skis,1 how do you decide what to use? I know some skis are specialized, like racing skis, deep powder skis, park skis, etc. But most of you have many, many skis that do the same thing, 2 so do you just cycle through them like you do your wardrobe? 3 Are you just gear heads, and collect skis like a car collector collects cars?

That being said I am really itching to buy some new skis (though probably dont need to), the Head Supershape Magnum thread really got me thinking and wanting. But then Ill have two carving skis...bottom line is, 4 what for?

As it is I wonder what skis I should use on any given day; practice on my pampered race skis, or just have carefree fun on the ic300s. 5 Then there is the issue of what ski to bring on a trip; bring them all, or just bring one? Last season I toted around two sets of skis, this season, I will surely bring all three...6 pretty soon I will look like I am part of the US ski team with so many skis (albeit with much less talent)....help!!
1 - I decide what to ski according to snow conditions, the people I'm skiing with, and the general mood

2 - Cycling through like wardrobe is not the best description. I keep clothes longer than I do ski's. I don't do shopping malls, but when I find a ski Bargain, I just can't pass it up!!!

3 - My License plate reads SkiGeek, for a reason. I can love the ski I'm on and still get excited about the next thing in Ski Technology. Surprisingly, there is new exciting stuff in the ski industry every time you turn around. Why not give it a whirl?

4 - A little bit of overlap is not a terrible thing if you find different properties that you like in the skis.

5 - The trip.....that is a puzzle. That is the one time that I really struggle to figure out what to throw in the ski bag. This year I see the Wave Spice and one other depending on the forecast for the ski destination.

6 - Nah! You won't look like the ski team until you have a quiver the size of mine, or Barrettscv, or............oh you get the idea.

My quiver had little overlap at the end of the 07 season.
Main ski: Elan Wave Spice 163, 80mm
Quiver filled out:
Volkl Race Tiger RC 168
The Ski 162
Karma(rock ski) 169
Atomic Snoop daddy (replace karma) 174

I've added a few skis to my quiver(Elan Speed Magic, Nordica Firefox) that will cause some overlap with the VolklRace Tiger But I figure I'll play with them a bit and see what I want to thin out of that overlap.

I've also added the Bluehouse MR 171, for reasons stated in #2
I'm almost giddy and can't wait til the blue house is on my door step!:

RR, does that answer your question?
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
5 - The trip.....that is a puzzle. That is the one time that I really struggle to figure out what to throw in the ski bag. This year I see the Wave Spice and one other depending on the forecast for the ski destination.

6 - Nah! You won't look like the ski team until you have a quiver the size of mine, or Barrettscv, or............oh you get the idea.
Hi T.C.

While most of us might be called Gear Ho's, you are the Queen of Gear .

As you know, I travel by plane to find my turns. The planning for the trip can be a little problematic, but I'll pack two pair of skis for most trips. I will check weather and conditions before making any decisions. I travel to Vermont and out west, so I select accordingly.

The Fischer WC SC and Dynastar Contact 11 will travel with me out to Vermont on most trips this year. The only exception to this will be if thin cover require rock skis, then the WC SC will stay home and a pair of Fischer Scenio 500 come with. I can ski in deep snow with the Contact 11's, so my fatties never visit Vermont.

Most trips will be to western resorts, so one skinny ski & one fatty comes with. The Contact 11 are selected if some new snow is expected. The RX8 comes with if new snow will be scarce and I'm going to be on groomers most of the time. I'm continuously a little unsure about which fatty to bring out west. I'm going to rotate them, I think. I hope each of the 3 fat skis can see ample powder this year.

Everything considered, I should just get a midfat. But I can't stand to be on an all-mountain ski which can’t carve well and will probably tip-dive in deeper snow. Actually, I consider the Contact 11 to be my all-mountain midfat, even with a 72 mm waist it can carve and act well in powder..

Michael
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
i'm curious, what mountains are all you folks with only 195cm+ skis in your quiver riding?

granted before i switched to "shaped" skis last season I'd been on 198cm Rossi's, but anything over 185cm just seems HUGE for the type of everyday resort skiing we have here in Cali and the stuff I've ridden in Utah, Colo, and Whistler.

i've ridden Mammoth with folks on 195+ skis and it's like just when they get going they're at the bottom of the hill.

either some of y'all are BIG folks (6'7"ish) or you're skiing HUGE hills (please tell me where they are!) or have enough money to be flying out to AK every weekend.

which is it?
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Originally Posted by nfp158 View Post
I have the same question for epic folks, and especially for the maggots over at TGR...
Where are you guys skiing the 195+ cm long, 110+ mm waisted skis....
Are y'all over 250#?.....
Tell me, tell I and I.... maggot, jer...?
How many turns top to bottom....4 or 5??

Whom RAH bless, etc..
Usually 4 1/2. Depends where the bottom is.

While the Sanouks are a long ski, you can make pretty short turns with them. It would have been great if Volkl would have made a 203 Sanouk. The 193cm m103's are pretty demanding and need a lot of speed, but what's wrong with that? I like long skis. I always have.

Oh yeah - Alta and surrounding BC. 180lbs.
post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
Hi T.C.

While most of us might be called Gear Ho's, you are the Queen of Gear .

Michael
Michael you make me blush. There is one lady bear that comes to mind when it comes to filling out a phenomenal quiver who could kick my butt. Cloudpeak!
post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Entire quiver up for sale, individually or together:

Last season's Elan Magfire 10, 160 cm w/bindings. Used three times last season due to owner's temporarily disabling illness.

Three season old Elan S12, 160 cm w/bindings. Used, but good shape and bases excellent. Most dependable skis I've ever owned.

Three season old Head Monster iM Chip 77, 170 cm w/bindings. Used maybe four times. Great shape.

Original K2 Mod 7/8, 168 cm w/bindings.

No REASONABLE offer refused. My crate, your freight. PM me.
OK, let me put out some fires.

Thanks to those who've pm'ed their concern.

I am NOT planning to go X-dividend (if it happens soon, it will be unexpected). I DO plan to ski this season.

I DO plan to use proceeds of sales to buy new skis - what do you think I am? SANE?!
post #42 of 55
I've usually got 4-5 pairs of skis, depending on rock damage and sale prices. I check the conditions (hard or soft), weather (any snow in the forecast), consider whether I'll be hiking or not. Then I grab whatever pair I used on my last great day out and leave it at that.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Are you just gear heads, and collect skis like a car collector collects cars?
This is part of it for me, I like to collect things, things I find beautiful, in function, and in design.

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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich
That being said I am really itching to buy some new skis (though probably dont need to), the Head Supershape Magnum thread really got me thinking and wanting. But then Ill have two carving skis...bottom line is, what for?
Wanting them is good enough for me, I have no standard of logic or good sense that I am seeking to live up to, I just accumulate skis because it pleases me to do so.

As for the duplicity of certain models, I like the fact that if I rip up my skis on the rocks (this happens with frequency), or have a delamination (this happened to my favorite skis last year) I have other pairs to take their place, without having to substitute something that doesn't work as well for the conditions. Further, I have been stock-piling Chubbs which are no longer made, because they are just about perfect for most days on the mountain.

Last year, I skied nine different pairs of skis. I skied 106 days. The most active pair saw about 30 days of skiing, the least active, 2. The latter may be headed for the the swap.
post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Last year, I skied nine different pairs of skis. I skied 106 days. The most active pair saw about 30 days of skiing, the least active, 2. The latter may be headed for the the swap.
This doesn't count. They were all Volant skis.
post #45 of 55
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This doesn't count. They were all Volant skis.
WRONG!!!
In addition to 8 pair of Volants, I also skied my RD Coyote Helidogs.
post #46 of 55
and, unless things have changed, VA STILL doesn't own a pair of Spatulas!

i ran across some Chubbs last season when i bought my Spats. didn't grab 'em though and last time i was at the shop they were disappeared.

still believe there's a pair of the old McG's (with the red bases) lurking at another local shop, but last time i asked they wanted $600 for 'em!!! (the high school kids manning the shop scanned 'em when i tried to buy 'em for $100, which was what all the other clearance skis were marked at and that's what the computer had 'em listed for...those were some expensive skis 5 seasons ago!).

at one point, just for S&G's, I entertained the notion of putting together an entire Shane McConkey Volant quiver...
post #47 of 55
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
and, unless things have changed, VA STILL doesn't own a pair of Spatulas!

...
Egads! I thought those where the holy grail of Volants!

FTR when I bought my honey skis, Volant was my choice, even though I am a Head-man. Love the metal Volants.
post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
and, unless things have changed, VA STILL doesn't own a pair of Spatulas!
VolantAddict has a standing right-of-first-refusal on my Spats .

(btw these are becoming more affordable)

Michael
post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
VolantAddict has a standing right-of-first-refusal on my Spats .

(btw these are becoming more affordable)

Michael
Any chance I have second dibs!
THAT is a ski I don't have!
post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Any chance I have second dibs!
THAT is a ski I don't have!
T.C., If you and I are at an event with soft snow, you can have first dibs for a N/C demo.

Actually, I purchased these with demo bindings so that friends and family could try a reverse sidecut & camber ski without having to own one.

Last year I shipped 'em to Snowbird hoping to ski 'em, only to find hardpack. Then I traveled to Banff and left them at home. Of course, SSV & LL had fresh snow everyday.

I think these are cursed!

Cheers,

Michael
post #51 of 55
Barrett:

talk to Marshalolson over at TGR.

he keeps telling me that the Spats are a lot more versatile than you'd think.

in fact when i recently posted a thread asking for suggestions to fill the gap between my King Salmons and Spatulas i couldn't believe that most folks said "Why?" Both here at gear whore central Epic and over at gear whore capital TGR.

Marshal offered up this advice on the Spats, which i've basically only been bringing out on deep days:

"you need to ski spats more. their strongest point is tracked out, slop, setup type snow.

and ski them parallel to fall line to parallel to fall line. they don't like to go straight. but sidesliding past people at 30mph is WAY FUN. its like sliding rails. stay forward and charge the **** out of them."
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
T.C., If you and I are at an event with soft snow, you can have first dibs for a N/C demo.

Actually, I purchased these with demo bindings so that friends and family could try a reverse sidecut & camber ski without having to own one.

Last year I shipped 'em to Snowbird hoping to ski 'em, only to find hardpack. Then I traveled to Banff and left them at home. Of course, SSV & LL had fresh snow everyday.

I think these are cursed!

Cheers,

Michael
I guess I need to gain a few pounds, just in case I bump into you.

As for the Curse of the Spats, ya just gotta give 'em one more chance. If this year sux, then give VA a call!
post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
VolantAddict has a standing right-of-first-refusal on my Spats .

(btw these are becoming more affordable)

Michael
Oh I'd love to snap them up, but I'm "not buying any skis this season".

Hmmmm.......I'd better check to see if I won Powerball last night........
post #54 of 55
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Egads! I thought those where the holy grail of Volants!
Nah, they are mostly sought after by folks who don't want any other Volants. The true Volant afficionados seek the Colorado Chubbs.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
at one point, just for S&G's, I entertained the notion of putting together an entire Shane McConkey Volant quiver...
Yeh, I've toyed with the idea too (as well as collecting every Volant ever made ). I just don't have much interest in the McTs. If I wasn't broke at the time, I would have bought a pair of McGs from James Deluxe, who is himself another example of Volant addiction.
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