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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
What's good and what's bad about it?

Best run?
Best powder?
Best bump run?
Best bar?
Best place to stay?
Best instructor for a private lesson?

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
What's good and what's bad about it?

Best run? anything without a traverse...hint hint
Best powder?as above plus delirium dive if you want to go for the hype/marketing
Best bump run?anything after a weekend, people still ski bumps?
Best bar?on the hill? trappers is THE BAR, Chimney Corner is the Lounge
Best place to stay?on the hill? there is only the hotel...or you stay in Banff
Best instructor for a private lesson?Colin/Casey/Gord Fielding?

Thanks in advance.
the best thing about SSV is it is only 45 minutes from Lake Louise....
post #3 of 22
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the best thing about SSV is it is only 45 minutes from Lake Louise....
Meaning that when there is no snow at Lake Louise or the lifts are down (again) you can drive back to Sunshine for a half day of skiing.

Unless you want a quiet getaway pass on staying at the Sunshine Inn and stay in Banff. Not much drinking is done on the hill since we all have to drive afterwards.

Bump run? under tee-pee-town chair.
post #4 of 22
Like many hills, the best areas of SS are off the beaten path. Goats Eye lift is usually a good bet. Go far to skier’s left to Farside, WildSide, ThinkAgain. That area is often not skied by the masses, and good snow can be found. Best in mid season. Delirum Dive can have fantastic snow, and starts at about a 45 degree pitch. The caveat to DD is that Avalanche transceivers and shovels are required to enter. Also, DD is not as convenient as Louise in that it takes a hike to get into DD, and with some routes, a bit of a skate to get out, as well as a Gondola ride and two chairs to get back in. The above areas have the best skiing and best powder. Good cruisers off Divide chair, check out Bye Bye bowl if it’s been snowing.

Often good bumps under the Divide Chair and in Tee Pee Town (for steeper bumped/treed runs).

Staying on the hill can be fun – only one place to stay on hill.

One bar on hill – Trappers.

Best instructor???? Never took a lesson at SS. I heard Kenji (sp) is very good.

It is true that SS has traverses – It often seems like two shorter runs rather than a long continuous run in some places.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
I am going there for my level 3 ski exam (skiing) and CSCF level 1 coach course, so not that bothered about wild party-ing.

Will get there a few days in advance so I can ski everything (hence a private with a Level 4).

Stay on the mountain may suit me it is less travelling and Banff is the weirdest place I have ever been so I won't miss staying there at all.I have friends in Canmore so I may stay with them if it is not too far to drive each day.
post #6 of 22
From Canmore, it takes a little more than one hour to get up to the SS lodge, including the gondola ride and getting your stuff out of your vehicle, etc. It’s about a 30 minute drive to the gondola base.

Canmore is a nicer place to stay than Banff – not as many tourists – no attitude

When will you be at SS?
post #7 of 22
I had the opportunity to ski at Sunshine a few times and I preferred it over Lake Louise. Sunshine receives double the snow Right? The flat top beside the Goat's Eye lift was always deceiving to me. It looked relatively flat, but it always seemed like I got rolling on that section skiing at a higher speed than what the angle of steepness would indicate. Maybe just me.
post #8 of 22
Sunshine doesn't get double the snow, they get about the same.

But as an added bonus, you can see when you ski at the Lake.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
Whilst I agree that LL is a great ski area (I skied there in '93) I do not really care if it is the best mountain in the world on this trip as LL is not hosting the exam and CSCF course.

Exam is 31 Jan - 01 Feb and CSCF level 1 is 04-06 Feb.

I am guessing that I will get up there 4-5 days before the exam, maybe on the Sat, have an all day private (level 4 butt kicking) just to make sure that I am supressing all my bad habits (and avoid lift queues on the weekend), try and ski with some better skiers on Mon - Wed and then hopefully ski well on Thu/ Fri.

Ski some more on the weekend - well I may go to LL for the weekend and see how much better it is. Do the coaching course on the Mon-Wed and then head back to work in the good old US of A.

There was a pretty good B&B in Canmore last time we were there so I may stay there as long as I can get them to do a normal breakfast (what is it with the North American 'gourmet breakfast' thing - who wants a salmon and avocado panckae for breakfast anyway?).

Thanks for everyone's view/ tips. If there are any really good skiers (technically sound - I do not want to just be skiing steep and fast for the sake of it and encourage my bad habits) who can beast me around the mountain we should catch up.
post #10 of 22
You will find that LL has expanded it's terrain since 93, so has SS -- both are fun mountains in their own right. You will likely find a lot of softer snow at SS. The racers out of SS often practice other places to get the hard snow conditions that racers like.

Good luck on your exam.

Post a message before the time you leave, and I may try to catch you, but mid week is often more difficult (I'll ski every F, Sa, & Su, but other availability depends on work, snow and mostly kid race schedules - it could be worse - they could be into hockey or swimming - then I'd have to sit in arena some where, rather than ski where they ski)
post #11 of 22
I had a really good day at Sunshine last March when many of their expert zones were open. I wrote it up here. It answers many terrain questions.

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boa...pic.php?t=3216
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by Gripen View Post
Sunshine doesn't get double the snow, they get about the same.
The stats are that SSV gets about 6 feet more snow annually than Louise, but I think Louise is vastly fudging their numbers for marketing purposes. I find that whenever I ski there it's a guaranteed $60 base repair job whereas I rarely ever see a rock at Sunshine. I gave up on skiing at Louise because I was having to get so many base and edge grinds that my skis were 'done' after one season.

Put another way, Louise would probably be out of business without snowmaking. Sunshine doesn't have (or need) snowmaking.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
There was a pretty good B&B in Canmore last time we were there so I may stay there as long as I can get them to do a normal breakfast (what is it with the North American 'gourmet breakfast' thing - who wants a salmon and avocado panckae for breakfast anyway?).
Try Chez Francois for breakfast, on Bow Valley Trail. They have an extensive and excellent breakfast menu.
post #14 of 22
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I had a really good day at Sunshine last March when many of their expert zones were open. I wrote it up here. It answers many terrain questions.

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boa...pic.php?t=3216
Great trip report - thanks a lot. SSV looks quite good really and like skiing anywhere new the fun is in the adventure into the unknown. See 1 or 2 of you in Jan 08 perhaps.
post #15 of 22
back when i still ran a service shop in cowtown on any given day a major repair would be from any of the areas around the bow valley on a 1:1:1:1 ratio, then SSV opened goats eye
we paraphrased an old saying "where skis go to die..."
you are correct LL needs snowmaking for the bottom of the hill to ensure people can ski to the base but anything above the first lift snowmaing is a non issue
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
back when i still ran a service shop in cowtown on any given day a major repair would be from any of the areas around the bow valley on a 1:1:1:1 ratio, then SSV opened goats eye
we paraphrased an old saying "where skis go to die..."
you are correct LL needs snowmaking for the bottom of the hill to ensure people can ski to the base but anything above the first lift snowmaing is a non issue

seconded. Any place where it counts, LL keeps snow just fine. There is a reason why all the patrollers around the area can pick out a patroller who has worked at SSV. Their wind-fence making skills are "finely tuned".

There is a reason I dont bother skiing at SSV until late March early April. However I do buy a student Spring Pass for April and May when LL closes.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Andrew R View Post
What's good and what's bad about it?

Best run?
Best powder?
Best bump run?
Best bar?
Best place to stay?
Best instructor for a private lesson?

Thanks in advance.
Best Runs?
My favorites are anything off the Great Divide chair unless vis is low or overcast. Tin Can Alley off Wawa chair unless closed for racing......hit the trees to the right on a powder day is my little secret stash. Sunshine Coast for fast cruising on Goat's Eye.

Delirium for powder and The Shoulder (tough to get too.....via rocky Teepee Town). Also Wawa Bowl if you catch it early enough.

Best bumps can sometimes be Star Trek off Wawa, left side of Divide going up for long knee wear outs and various sizes of bumps, and the gulley above the TeePee chair.

Best Bar.....only one.

Best Place - we never stay in Banff anymore. They are ripping up main street right now and I don't know when it is supposed to be finished - you may want to check. We stay at Mystic Springs in Canmore as they take dogs.....and ankle biters.

Way better snow than Lake Louise.....nothing man made. Short drive.

The thing that really bugs me about Lake Louise is a ton of people funneling down narrow runs. Everytime I go I get pissed off that my kids almost get taken out by some idiot.

I found these tips soooooooo true:

http://www.skibanff.com/conditions/local_tips.php

PM me when you come and we'll see if we can give you a tour

It's dumping tonight BTW .....not bad for Oct 2nd.
post #18 of 22
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Way better snow than Lake Louise.....nothing man made. Short drive.

The thing that really bugs me about Lake Louise is a ton of people funneling down narrow runs. Everytime I go I get pissed off that my kids almost get taken out by some idiot.
So true on both counts. The front side of Louise is truly "The Ribbon of Death", and as far as snow goes at any time of the season, SSV kicks L.L.

Here are two webcam photos from today (October 3) showing conditions at the base lodge level of both Sunshine Village and Lake Louise.

SUNSHINE VILLAGE - OCTOBER 3, 2007


LAKE LOUISE - OCTOBER 3, 2007

post #19 of 22
Oh.....and apparently higher resolution webcams as well:
post #20 of 22
I skied the area about a zilllion years ago, Sunshine had this little cloud over it the whole week, depositing 3-6" every night, while LL was sunny and sheet ice. But had fine views.

Also dimly recall that Star Trek was a good bump run, not enough serious powder to stand out. Early Altzheimers is brutal.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Deemo View Post
Best Place - we never stay in Banff anymore. They are ripping up main street right now and I don't know when it is supposed to be finished - you may want to check. We stay at Mystic Springs in Canmore as they take dogs.....and ankle biters.
The utility replacement is supposed to be done as of October and it only affected the two or three blocks you would probably want to walk anyway. There are a number of fairly cheap hotels on Banff Avenue--Red Carpet Inn, Banff Inn--which are fifteen minutes closer to the hill than Canmore and are a relatively easy stagger to the Banff bar scene: Wild Bill's for country music, Bruno's Bar & Grill for hamburgers (try the bison), Hoodoo lounge for a younger crowd, and St. James Gate for Guinness.

Don't forget to hit the Upper Hot Springs after a day on the slopes.

As far as powder stashes go, I think the trees between Tin Can Alley and WaWa have already been mentioned. Take the traverse to skier's right from the WaWa chair to Paris Basin, there often is good powder just under the traverse for several days after a dump. That will also allow you to get to Birdcage which is the designated "bump learning" run.
post #22 of 22
Best run? Delirium Dive
Best powder? Delirium Dive
Best bump run? not to many from what I remeber
Best bar? ^^
Best place to stay? they got some nice lodging options
Best instructor for a private lesson? no clue
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