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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am too confused so I am turning to the forum for direction.

I am 5'10" and 185lbs and an advanced intermediate....43 so I refuse to categorize myself as expert.

Skiing mainly Banff and never had a day over 20cm last season as far as a "pow day"....some great days but no waist deep days.

Usually by noon it is all over but the crying and faced with chop for the rest of the day.

I will also be venturing more into Delirium this year.

What skis should I be looking at and what length.

I ski Metron B5's in 172 and just picked up some Rossi B2's on SAC as they were too good a deal to refuse.

Thanks
post #2 of 23
video of you skiing would be great in this, you who refuse to call yourself an expert...skiing delirium dive.

oh yeah BTW this will be yet another fun thread.

What do you like/dislike about your metrons?
post #3 of 23
I'm 5'11" and 185lbs at the top end, 175lbs on a good day. Just turned 40. Consider myself an excellent hacker (or a person who skis half-assed well). I can keep up with some solid Epics folks, but lack some of the finesse. Not sure what Delirium is, but I'll just make a wild guess that we might be comparible on the slopes.

So, going on the premise that we might be kin in the level department, here's what I'm working:

I am riding planks between 180 - 185cm, so I would say that's the range you'd wanna be looking at. Maybe 177-185ish given that I have an inch on you in height.

If you have a B2, then you'll probably want something a bit wider...that means in the 90-100+ range.

The Volkl Gotama (105mm?) has been tossed around as a great all around powder plank. I have never skied it, but rode a Mantra for a season and dug it until I stumbled upon something I liked better (AK King Salmon).

There's plenty of 90-100mm options reviewed in the recent Freeskier magazine, everything from the Rossi B94 to the Black Diamond Verdict.

Also you have to ask yourself: is this going to be a dedicated powder only ski or do you want something that's versatile (this will determine if you wanna go the 90-105mm route or beef it up to the 115+ route and even consider some "funky" reverse camber planks).

Since you already have two skis in the quiver, I would heartily recommend that you just sit back and wait for the snow and then demo. I'm sure that Banff has to have plenty of solid shops that'll offer you some multi-pair demos.

I know where you're at, jonsing for the season to start, but hastily buying skis to fill the void ain't a solution. Especially if you end up with something you don't like (of course buying, trying, not liking, selling, replacing, trying, selling, buying, replacing, finding the sweetest ski in the world is a lot of fun...but it's also hella expensive).

Wait for the snow, bro!
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
video of you skiing would be great in this, you who refuse to call yourself an expert...skiing delirium dive.

oh yeah BTW this will be yet another fun thread.

What do you like/dislike about your metrons?
Post ski video......twist my arm
Last December I believe.....before I discovered SAC:
http://www.members.shaw.ca/geoconsultant/byebyebowl.wmv

The Metrons are great. Most people here would have recommended the 162's for me but I like the stability at high speed that the 172's provide.

They may be a bit narrow underfoot for pow.....never had a true powder ski so I still need to find out.

Delirium really isn't all that much harder than other black/doubleblack.
Just less controlled and more natural hazards.

Booting on the Metrons:
post #5 of 23
In Banff area, you'll need some edge hold and turning potential to go with the width. For your level and expectations, Line Prophet 100's, K2 Coombas, or Fischer Watea 94's if you don't like your Metrons, new Atomic Crimson Nomad if you do.
post #6 of 23
Can't go wrong with Head Monster i.m88 in a 175cm
post #7 of 23
Nice video. Based on that and the pic it looks like you have some decent skills but aren't really big into power and high speed. Your weight and skill will keep you in the mid 180's range for length. As for width I would look anywhere between 95mm and 105mm.

Skis that come to mind:
Volkl Gotama
Rossignol B4
Dynastar Legend Pro
Head Supermojo 105
Elan M999

My top picks would be the Gotama or the Legend Pro.

Later

GREG
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
looks like you have some decent skills but aren't really big into power and high speed.
GREG
Thanks Greg.
The video is a bit misleading.
There was a windblown crust under the powder on that face as we continued to look for untracked.
Made it a bit odd to ski.
post #9 of 23
You ski like me. I would recemend a softer everyday type ski given your style and the lack of super deep days.

The sumer sales are just about over so the deals will be limited in the next few months. Therefore you might as well take your time and find the right ski for you. Here is something copied from Gear Guru / TGR Recommended ski list. Its a good place to start demoing.

Quote:
SOFTER EVERYDAY SKIS:
Rossi B4 (95mm) - not the fattest, not the stiffest, but great all-round skis.
Salomon AK Swallowtail (95mm) – offers a damp, smooth ride. I personally love these things.
Salomon Sandstorm (101mm) – is a ripper. They ski like a stiffer, flat-tail version of the Salomon Gun (187cm)
Atomic Sugar Daddy/Janak/Tele-Daddy (99mm) - pretty soft shovel with a pretty stiff tail. They are light and also make killer AT setups.
PM Gear Bros (99mm) - the soft flex are about as light as anything in the size and also make a killer AT ski.

SOFTER EVERYDAY TWINS:
K2 Seth (95-98mm) - mount 'em forward a bit for all mountain usage. They have been stiffened slightly each year since the original Seth Pistol.
K2 AK Enemy (108mm)- SOFT. FAT. FUN. They make a great pow or tree ski.
Salomon Gun (101mm) - wish the PR was stiffer, fatter and longer? Here you go…
Also add the old black gotamas to that list. The newer ones are supposed to be stiffer.

If you just want to get something fat and cheap PM mtnlion here (or on TGR) he is selling some old 115mm heli skis for like $200 or so.
post #10 of 23
that bowl looked sweet! where is it?

i woulda taken my Spatulas through that since it was at least ankle deep fluff.

but to each their own.

i prolly woulda also enjoyed it on my King Salmon.

whatever you were riding, though, looks like you enjoyed it...so what are you looking for?

but i think i would go back to my original post about waiting and demoing. put together a short list of skis that sound interesting to you and then start asking around to see if shops in your neck of the woods will have the models you are interested in available for demo. keep in mind that a lot of shops won't demo fatties until there's enough snow (i.e. in Tahoe last year you couldn't demo a 99+ ski to save your life until we got a dump in late Feb...i've also found that the bulk of the shops in Tahoe won't rent twin tips...they feel that the TT are more prone to cause demoers to get crazy with them).
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am starting to lean towards the Goats or the mantras.
I "thought" I had scored some Sugar Daddy's on SAC a few weeks ago but got the dreaded email....they screwed up on inventory.

Seeing them on that list rubs salt in the wounds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tromano View Post
You ski like me. I would recemend a softer everyday type ski given your style and the lack of super deep days.

The sumer sales are just about over so the deals will be limited in the next few months. Therefore you might as well take your time and find the right ski for you. Here is something copied from Gear Guru / TGR Recommended ski list. Its a good place to start demoing.



Also add the old black gotamas to that list. The newer ones are supposed to be stiffer.

If you just want to get something fat and cheap PM mtnlion here (or on TGR) he is selling some old 115mm heli skis for like $200 or so.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Deemo View Post
I am starting to lean towards the Goats or the mantras.
I think you would be happy with either ski. The Goats would be better in the powder and might be a better quiver addition for you.


BTW: nice skiing in the video.
post #13 of 23
Oh no! Not again....

The Gates of Delirium was the best song Yes ever recorded.

You need a Katana 197 with Dukes. Anyone who says anything different is a loon.
post #14 of 23
I'd say that you ski a little better than you think/say that you do. (congrats, for many, it's the opposite) I'm on board with the middle flex crowd on this one. Gotama/183, Sollie Gun/181, Rossi B94/184, Fischer Watea 94/186 Line Prophet 100/186, Atomic Pimp/183.

All very good skis. I own the Gotama in a 183 and also particularly like the Pimp and Watea.

SJ
post #15 of 23
Head Monster 78. New this year. Here's what Peter Keelty says in his free review..."For many of our skiers, the most exciting new model from Head. Contender for 1-ski-quiver of the year, overall ski of the year. A near perfect blend of off-piste power and hard snow nimble. This ski, we predict, will prove in time to be another Head classic and it may break the heart of some who have relatively new Monster 82's. East, West—no matter. This one is worth a look from just about every strong and skilled skier."

By the way, Peter's subscription site is US$20 very well spent (I guess that's also C$20 these days).
http://www.techsupportforskiers.com/...views_head.htm
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
video of you skiing would be great in this, you who refuse to call yourself an expert...skiing delirium dive.

oh yeah BTW this will be yet another fun thread.


Ask a Canadian if he is an expert, they all say no, and then they ski the knarliest stuff (at SSV) without a second of hesitation.

Ask the average American if he is in expert, they all say yes, and then they welcome the amenities at the end of the morning.

Michael
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
that bowl looked sweet! where is it?
I looks like the terrain between the Continental Divide lift and the Sunshine Meadows. http://www.skibanff.com/trail_map/main.html

Michael
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
that bowl looked sweet! where is it?
It is Bye Bye Bowl at Sunshine Village.
Ski more to the left coming down as things get tracked up but there can be quite a walk out at the bottom which you see near the end of the vid.
Worth it though!

One of the best days last year. It dumped as I skied out the day prior so I got my wife to book me into Canmore on the net. Stopped to get a toothbrush at the grocery store.

Now I carry a small "Emergency Pow Day" kit in the truck....fresh set of undies and toiletries.


Those were my Metron B5's
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
I guess that's also C$20 these days).
post #20 of 23
Well what every one needs is the fattest skis they can find, by gum.
post #21 of 23
VA:

I believe the French have the market cornered on "fattest skis you can find"

How's 177mm at the waist grab you?

http://www.duretskis.com/index.php?idarticle=192



Oh and Deemo, thanks for sharing the info on where you were filming. Looks like I might have to hit up Canada (only been to Whistler thus far).
post #22 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
VA:

I believe the French have the market cornered on "fattest skis you can find"

How's 177mm at the waist grab you?

http://www.duretskis.com/index.php?idarticle=192


Ah, but I couldn't find those. I did recall them but I ran a search (fattest skis and widest skis), but the Durets didn't come up, so I decided to flush them out by giving the nod to the Alotta.
post #23 of 23
I have the Sugar Daddys and got to ski the Gotama thanks to SierraJim last season. You'd like either, but the Gotama is so easy to ski, precise or slipping as needed and great on any soft snow from pow to corn. After watching your video, its clear, you can ski pretty much any ski in any snow. I used to ski Six Stars in powder like that until I got the Mantras, and later SDs and AK Rocket Swallowtails. Bigger skis make those conditions feel bottomless, and the funky crud under the pow may as well not exist. Lots of skis would work for you, but I can't think of anything better than Gotamas...maybe Nordica Enforcers. Keep the Metrons for carving tight turns on the hard days.
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