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Is 187 too much?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I got a call a few days ago from my sponsor saying that I could get any new GS ski if I wanted with any plate and binding. I've been looking at the Volkl WC skis, which got a few hours on during the summer (187s), but I am not sure if they are too long for me. I am a J2 highschool racer, 5'8", 140. The reason I am looking into the WC skis is because the racestocks are basically useless (only 23m radius at 185, while the WC ones are 27m @187). Are these just too long for me? Should I get 06-07 skis instead, and grab 07-08 next year?
post #2 of 21
If you have skied on a ski that long before and cannot answer that question I would move to guess that they are too long. If you haven't skied a ski that long with that kind of radius before, then the answer is really going to depend on your comfort level with the skis. The 185 might give you an edge in your races (depending on course sets), but if USSA adopts the radius rule, they could be obsolete within a few seasons (not that they would last that long anyway).

What are your points? Knowing where you are finishing in the field might shed more light on whether you can handle the 27m ski or not. The issue at hand is not the length, as 2cm is barely noticable - but the radius will be noticable. At only 140lbs they might be a challenge.

Later

GREG
post #3 of 21
I agree with Greg. Knowing your points would help answer the question. I'm guessing that the 185's would be more appropriate.
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
I have raced on them before, and they seemed fine to me. I would just buy 06/07 skis, but they wont be 'legal' next year, right? Or is USSA adopting in 09/10?
post #5 of 21
As posted in the racing forum:

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Originally Posted by whygimf View Post
As of now, USSA is recommending to adopt the new equipment regulations for scored competitions in the following seasons: (to be approved)

08-09: Standheight and Boot Sole

09-10: GS Radius and Ski Width
When you raced on the skis previously - where did you finish, and how did you ski on them? Honestly, if USSA is not going to adopt the GS rules until 09-10 I would stick with the shorter radius for now. I think that it will be more of an advantage to you until you can pack on some pounds and a little height.

Later

GREG
post #6 of 21
The best advice for a racer at your level is pretty much always "ask your coach" because s/he will be in a far better position to assess your needs. That being said, given that it seems the USSA isn't going to be changing much if anything at your level this year, and maybe not even next year, as Greg says, you'll almost certainly be better off going for the smaller radius ski. By the time the requirements are an issue, you're likely going to be wanting to replace this pair anyways, if you haven't already.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor View Post
The best advice for a racer at your level is pretty much always "ask your coach" because s/he will be in a far better position to assess your needs. That being said, given that it seems the USSA isn't going to be changing much if anything at your level this year, and maybe not even next year, as Greg says, you'll almost certainly be better off going for the smaller radius ski. By the time the requirements are an issue, you're likely going to be wanting to replace this pair anyways, if you haven't already.
I want these to last 2 years, so will the 06/07 skis be suiting?
post #8 of 21
This year is '07/'08, next year is '08/'09 (that's two) '09/10 (three seasons, since we're counting) will be the 'possible rule change' year.

Seriously, talk to your coach.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
I got a call a few days ago from my sponsor
Why do want to keep them for 2 years? I don't think I know even one serious USSA racer (without a sponsor) that doesn't get new skis every year.

I agree... ask your coach.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Why do want to keep them for 2 years? I don't think I know even one serious USSA racer (without a sponsor) that doesn't get new skis every year.

I agree... ask your coach.
I plan on it, and the reason y I want these to last a little longer is because I'm not a big GS race, I race SL 85% of the time. I get new Slalom skis every year.
post #11 of 21
If you don't race a lot of GS I would definitely get the shorter radius ski. When I don't ski enough GS I loose my touch in the course. It is very different from skiing slalom all the time. You will want the extra help from the shorter turn for sure.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
My new coach said to go with the 187s. I told him that I didnt have much of a problem with them for the few days that I was on them, and he said to just go with them and I'll 'grow' into them.
post #13 of 21
if you can be competetive at 5' 8" &140 Lbs on 187cm WC 27M ski, I will come and eat my shirt at the finish of your races the whole season!

my older son was a J2 and as a J1 switched to 186cm Racestock 25m ski and struggled miserably on them!

He was 6' 200 lbs. as a J1, Made JO's multiple years (including J3, J2 & J1)and finished in the top 10 in GS as a J3.


You will never bend that ski into an arc! You need something you can bend!

Grow into them?

Are you following in Barry Bonds footsteps?
post #14 of 21
I'm going to have to jump in here and say that you're making a mistake. Why you ask? Well, I happened to be reading the "optimal three pair quiver" thread and came across your post:

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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Volkl Racetiger SL WC 165
Volkl AC4 163
Volkl Mantra 168
What jumps out at you here? ALL OF THESE SKIS ARE UNDER 170CM AND HAVE RADII IN THE TEENS!!!!! Why the hell would you put yourself through the punnishment of skiing on a 187cm 27m radius ski if your ideal quiver has nothing even close to that in it? You clearly aren't comfortable on long skis, so why force yourself onto something that is going to be close to twice the radius of your ideal skis? Not only will you have to ski on these things, but you will have to ski a tight course on them - with the hopes of actually being competitive. I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails but it just isn't going to happen because you still consider an ideal length and radius ski to be a 170cm ski with a sub 20m radius. There is nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't try to kid yourself into thinking that you are going to be successful (fast) on a 27m 187cm ski in a course.

Even I am cautious about going too long in a course due to my size (I ski 186's) and I outweigh you by 25lbs, and am much older, and probably a lot stronger than you are right now. My ideal free-ski is also a 184 with a 29m radius. Your build/size/strength could all change within a few seasons, but you should be buying the ski that is going to help you be fast now, not when you are a second year J1. By your coach saying that "you will grow into them" clearly shows that you aren't ready for the big ski yet... and makes me wonder why any coach would suggest that one of their athletes jump up to gear that is clearly beyond their current ability to handle. If I were your coach you'd be on the 185 without a doubt.

Later

GREG
post #15 of 21
My .02 is that is a lot is ski for a young light guy.

That being said, if they are fast....
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I'm going to have to jump in here and say that you're making a mistake. Why you ask? Well, I happened to be reading the "optimal three pair quiver" thread and came across your post:



What jumps out at you here? ALL OF THESE SKIS ARE UNDER 170CM AND HAVE RADII IN THE TEENS!!!!! Why the hell would you put yourself through the punnishment of skiing on a 187cm 27m radius ski if your ideal quiver has nothing even close to that in it? You clearly aren't comfortable on long skis, so why force yourself onto something that is going to be close to twice the radius of your ideal skis? Not only will you have to ski on these things, but you will have to ski a tight course on them - with the hopes of actually being competitive. I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails but it just isn't going to happen because you still consider an ideal length and radius ski to be a 170cm ski with a sub 20m radius. There is nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't try to kid yourself into thinking that you are going to be successful (fast) on a 27m 187cm ski in a course.

Even I am cautious about going too long in a course due to my size (I ski 186's) and I outweigh you by 25lbs, and am much older, and probably a lot stronger than you are right now. My ideal free-ski is also a 184 with a 29m radius. Your build/size/strength could all change within a few seasons, but you should be buying the ski that is going to help you be fast now, not when you are a second year J1. By your coach saying that "you will grow into them" clearly shows that you aren't ready for the big ski yet... and makes me wonder why any coach would suggest that one of their athletes jump up to gear that is clearly beyond their current ability to handle. If I were your coach you'd be on the 185 without a doubt.

Later

GREG
Like I said, I didnt have much of a problem with them over the summer, and I suppose a bit more time on them would probably do me good.

If not, should I look into 183's instead? Would it really be that much easier, or would the differences be marginal?
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Racing Dept at the shop said to go with the 187s, and that I will be faster on the flater areas of the course. He also pointed out that I could use them for SG, so I took em.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
Racing Dept at the shop said to go with the 187s, and that I will be faster on the flater areas of the course. He also pointed out that I could use them for SG, so I took em.
That is if you make to the flat areas of the course or if there are any flat areas (not any in most J2 Gs's I've seen.

Yeah, have fun in Sg!
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
Setup: Racetiger WC 187, 06-07 Marker WC Piston Plate w/extention arm, and Marker Comp 16's.
post #20 of 21
Nice set-up....

(if you weighed more than 140)

Hey, I haven't seen a pair of Marker 16.0's yet... Are they just like the 14's or like the 18's? Do they have metal toe cups with the teeth inside and a metal heel?
How 'bout the AFD? Is it big, flat and wide?
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
if you can be competetive at 5' 8" &140 Lbs on 187cm WC 27M ski, I will come and eat my shirt at the finish of your races the whole season!
This.
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