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post #1 of 16
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Hi guys, I'm about to buy a new pair of ski pants to replace the ones I have currently, which are old-school nylon and not very breathable OR comfortable. One of the major beefs I have with them, as well, is that they have no crotch zipper, which makes it quite cumbersome for me to get to the washroom. I have to go and drop the pants before I can relieve myself, and that's not easy to do in a crowded restroom - and waiting for a stall can be painfully long, when you're in a hurry.

However, I'm wondering about the waterproofness of the zipper models - how prone are they to letting moisture in there? Are the zippers uncomfortable or liable to break?

So I've been wondering on the subject of whether to get pants with zippers, or go for the non-zipper ones, as they are both quite popular and plentiful among the ski wear racks.
post #2 of 16
Spend the extra $100 for the pants with zippers.
post #3 of 16
Get the zippers, but keep it closed to avoid drafts:
post #4 of 16
I'm a fan of crotch ventalation.

I presently rock some Volcom snowboarder pants, some Analog pants, and some Burton pants (ladies style on these). they all have vents, which are great come Spring.

If you are looking for something comfortable, snowboarding pants are the way to go, though a lot of the ski companies are now making "freeride/freestyle" gear that mimics snowboarding gear (i.e. a bit baggier for that extra comfort).



I usually hit up the Burton warehouse sales to score cheap pants (under $100 for some vented, tons of pockets, waterproof, and comfortable pants).

Also, SSH reminded me that one of his buddies is a founder of this Colorado based company: FATE: http://www.fateclothing.com/home

I've seen a lot of their stuff on the hills and it looks solid, both in terms of comfort and utility (I love me some pockets!). Check out the Stoke, which has the vents.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by roastpuff View Post
I have to go and drop the pants before I can relieve myself...


However, I'm wondering about the waterproofness of the zipper models - how prone are they to letting moisture in there?
Ah, the old letting moisture in vs. letting moisture out conundrum
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by mkevenson View Post
Get the zippers, but keep it closed to avoid drafts:
Solid advice. I'll try to remember after that mid-day Miller's...

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Originally Posted by vinn View Post
Spend the extra $100 for the pants with zippers.
Price isn't the issue - I've actually seen pants without zippers that are more expensive than the zipper models. Right now, it's just the issue of which style to go with...

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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post
Ah, the old letting moisture in vs. letting moisture out conundrum
Yeah, it's always a head-scratcher, isn't it? : I did love some of the suggestions on the forum when I did a search though - some people recommended Depends!

Dookey - I'll look into Fate clothing, but I would like to be able to try them on, if possible, to assess fit and comfort. I just signed up with my college's Ski & Snowboard Club, which hooks me up with some discounts with the local retailers... we'll see what I can turn up! Wish I had local manufacturer warehouses to go to, though...

EDIT: To reiterate: THE ISSUE IS CROTCH ZIPPERS FOR WASHROOM USE.
post #7 of 16
Get it with the zipper, no need to moon everyone in the restroom just to take a wiz, and I think pulling up your pants might make for even more effort, at least it would with me.

You think thats bad try taking care of any business in a speed suit, where the zipper ends at your navel....even if youre better equipped than average the contortions make for a painful experience. Taking the suit off for a more involved "pit-stop" sometimes takes a group effort.
post #8 of 16
confused about crotch zippers for washroom use...

are you talking about standard zippers like on slacks, khakis, and jeans?

because I think when you said crotch zippers most of us thought you meant the zippers that run from the crotch on each leg down to the knee for ventilation. These are almost always meshed.

I have yet to purchase a pair of ski pants that don't have the standard "pee" zipper. The only funky thing I've found is that the zipper on women's pants tends to be higher and shorter (i know this as i rock a pair of the old Hannah Teter plaid pants from 2 seasons ago).
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
Dookey, I'm referring about the "go to washroom use" zippers, like what you would find on normal pants/jeans.

I got my current pants from the clearance rack at SportChek (big-box retail store) for 40CAD back 5-6 years ago, and it's served me faithfully, but I think that it's high time I update my pants.

So... do those zippers let moisture in, or what?
post #10 of 16
They do not, unless you plan to lie face up in the pouring rain, then youll probably get some moisture to get in there.
post #11 of 16
yeah, i've never had a problem with moisture coming through the pee hole.

most of the pants you buy these days have double seamed flaps that cover the zipper. Some may even have velcro so you can clamp that bad boy shut.

i think you'll find that most pants have the pee hole zipper, unless they are rain pants that you put over the regular pants on a super wet powder day. The only pants I've ever had that didn't have the regular zipper were windbreaker ones that I wore over my other pants when it was really cold and wet. But that was years ago.

pretty much anything you get from the majors like Burton, Analog, Volcom, Volkl, etc. will be fine. Ditto for Fate, Predatorwear, and others. Plus they'll be hella warm, too. 99% of the time i'm rocking thermals and my pants (I think I mentioned I have a pair of 3 season old Volcoms, 2 season old women's Burton's, and 1 season old Analogs). All have kept me warm, dry, and have not let moisture in either through the pee hole or the crotch vents.
post #12 of 16
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pee hole zipper
It's called a fly, guys
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by nzbassist View Post
It's called a fly, guys
You know, I just realized that we've been having brain farts on the name of that zipper until you mentioned it.

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post #14 of 16
I have never noticed leakage in my fly and I have skied on a lot of rainy days and a lot of days with powder washing up fly high and beyond. Leaking is not even a consideration. Get the zipper.

dt
post #15 of 16
here's some closeout deals:

http://alpinewarehouse.com/catalog/a...ts/mens_pants/

I'm sure there's also some at EvoGear, Sierra Trading Post, and other sites.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
You think thats bad try taking care of any business in a speed suit, where the zipper ends at your navel....even if youre better equipped than average the contortions make for a painful experience. Taking the suit off for a more involved "pit-stop" sometimes takes a group effort.
Remind me of this thread if I ever have the oportunity to take a ski trip with you.

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Originally Posted by Dookie
i think you'll find that most pants have the pee hole zipper
I have a serious (expensive) pair of Mountain hardware side zips that don't have a fly. one side zip is enough to pee without droppping trow though.

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Originally Posted by roastpuff
So... do those zippers let moisture in, or what?
If you go with high quality, and take care of them, the zipper will be as waterproof as the rest of the garment. If you go cheap, it won't matter cause you'll get soaked from elswhere anyway. I did have a pair that the storm covering stayed slightly open, funnelling rain down into the zipper and that was the only place that got wet when I wore them in the rain. I think I had them modified to stop the problem, IIRC.
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