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post #61 of 175
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Originally Posted by skiingman View Post
pfft. as if they go around renting yellow hummerbugs as some sort of default option...
Hummers symbolic of so much of what's wrong with this country, but it's nice when you get a fancy car for the price of a sub-compact because they are all out of the Yugos.

I'm a gaper for sure, I rent a car every time I need one, usually once a year, for skiing. When I landed in SLC I asked for a 4-wheel drive, hoping to need the extra traction. I assume heluva did the same and they were all out of the Subies.
post #62 of 175
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I assume heluva did the same and they were all out of the Subies.
Actually we needed the space so we asked for an SUV (hoping to at elast get a Trailblazer or Ford Explorer)... As it turns out - the H3 is not an SUV in terms of space... it is only an SUV in term of poor gas mileage, being too heavy, being ugly as hell, and being underpowered.
post #63 of 175
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
Me, I'm content to admit that I am a gaper on occassion (my definition of the term being the person who stands at the top of a run they have no business being on and watching the bad-azzs swish by him before he decides to tackle it in half-azzed good fashion...of course I'm also man enough to know when I shouldn't gape my way down a particular slope and have no problem opting for the easy way down whilst by bad-*** compadres shralp and shred the gnarlier line).

Ultimately, we were all gapers at one point, though hopefully we were clued in enough to avoid the obvious gaper syndrome signals the older we got.
Hmm. I think I resemble that remark. I try not to do this regularly, but from time to time when I feel I've made some improvement in technique or tactics I feel the need to test myself. Usually one or two runs is more than enough to convince me that in addition to being a gaper I'm still a n00b and send me back to the easy way down. However, I have to try it once in a while to measure my progress.


Hopefully TS doesn't get too angry when I'm stopped at the top of his run with my eyes as big as saucers!

-Adam
post #64 of 175
You must be writing a book, 3000+ posts and still so many questions. I want a signed copy when youre done.
post #65 of 175
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
I think the gaper, while at the heart is the same beast all around the world, manifests itself in different ways depending on locale. I believe East Coast gapers or those who sport jeans and their football team of choice's over sized jackets while snowplowing down the hill. In the West it varies from well-dressed beginners to flavor-of-the-day snow punks (i.e. the kids sporting the latest Burton fashion as seen on MTV or the X-Games).

Me, I'm content to admit that I am a gaper on occassion (my definition of the term being the person who stands at the top of a run they have no business being on and watching the bad-azzs swish by him before he decides to tackle it in half-azzed good fashion...of course I'm also man enough to know when I shouldn't gape my way down a particular slope and have no problem opting for the easy way down whilst by bad-*** compadres shralp and shred the gnarlier line).

Ultimately, we were all gapers at one point, though hopefully we were clued in enough to avoid the obvious gaper syndrome signals the older we got.

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I always sorta thought Gaper was a reworking of Gawker. For example, people often stop to gape at traffic accidents, though the term "gawk" is equally aplicable.
Well said. I'm pretty much in that boat too.

One of the fastest, most in control bump skiers I've seen at Mary Jane was just ripping the zipper line in a Detroit Lions jacket. It was on Drunken Frenchman and I skied after him hoping he would stop so I could give him a compliment on his attire, but he zipped into the trees and I never saw him again.

I agree with the gawker thing, but I always thought of it as gawking at the immensity of the mountains and the length of the chairlifts.... just the enormity of the 'real mountain' experience. I guess I would never think of anyone being a gaper at Mt. Brighton.
post #66 of 175
Well, if you're at the top of the toughest run on the mountain and your eyes aren't a little wide and you don't need to take a deep breath before pushing off...you're obviously some kind of poser who's too chicken to go play with the big boys.
post #67 of 175
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I would add skiing in plugs to the list.
Ummm, I don't know you, but your profile says you live in Maryland.
post #68 of 175
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I've done it quite a few times actually... and so did the other 120+ racers that were competing on some of those days. I will admit that it does get freaking cold up there though - especially in a GS suit.
It's one thing to ski a couple of warmup laps, inspect, go inside to get warm, time your arrival at the start house so you don't have to wait too long and then retreat immediately after your first run and then repeat a couple of hours later. It's another thing to ski for 7 hours straight in -15F. I used to do the former, now it's the latter.
post #69 of 175
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I've done it quite a few times actually... and so did the other 120+ racers that were competing on some of those days. I will admit that it does get freaking cold up there though - especially in a GS suit.
Besides, I got 'em at ARTECH. Not much gaper gear there.
post #70 of 175
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
Besides, I got 'em at ARTECH. Not much gaper gear there.
Get some comfortable boots. You're not racing anymore. What are you trying to prove?
post #71 of 175
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Originally Posted by telerod15
Get some comfortable boots. You're not racing anymore. What are you trying to prove?
What he said. My gawd, seven hours straight at Whiteface? If it was -15 then it wasn't exactly a pow day...so that really doesn't make any sense at all.

/no, I don't tend to ski for seven hours without a rest stop, and if I did, I wouldn't be wearing plugs.
//if a neoprene sock makes that much of a difference, you probably need to reseal your boots. Many/most plugs have crappy, crappy gaskets. get thee some RTV.
///ultra slashies.
post #72 of 175
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Get some comfortable boots. You're not racing anymore. What are you trying to prove?
I've got nothing to prove. They just happen to be the most comfortable boots I've ever been in. They are a little cold, but the boot gloves make a noticeable difference. If that makes me a gaper then you really have to wonder what that makes all of the people that can't keep up .
post #73 of 175
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Originally Posted by skiingman View Post
What he said. My gawd, seven hours straight at Whiteface? If it was -15 then it wasn't exactly a pow day...so that really doesn't make any sense at all.

/no, I don't tend to ski for seven hours without a rest stop, and if I did, I wouldn't be wearing plugs.
//if a neoprene sock makes that much of a difference, you probably need to reseal your boots. Many/most plugs have crappy, crappy gaskets. get thee some RTV.
///ultra slashies.
I wish I could ski only on bluebird days, but we have to take what we can get. In fact, there was quite a lot of good fresh snow and not too many folks hacking it up because it was cold and mid-week. So I stayed out and skied in some of the best conditions all year. I didn't want to take a break because it was so good. But I'm the gaper?!?!? : Sounds like a case of the old pot and kettle to me....

I'm not sure why everybody equates plug boots with uncomfortable boots. I buckle them in the morning, put on the boot gloves and don't have to adjust them all day. They're so comfortable, I don't even think about my feet all day. You guys do know that your s'posed to have a bootfitter custom fit plugs, right?

I wear the boot gloves for the insulation, not the leakage issue. Believe it or not, they make a huge difference
post #74 of 175
So lets see, it was -15, graybird, and full of fresh snow? I spent a good portion of my life living where you do and skiing at Whiteface and I have to say that combo doesn't reflect reality very often. One day does stick out in my mind as being nearly that cold with a foot of fresh, so I suppose it does happen.
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I'm not sure why everybody equates plug boots with uncomfortable boots.
Because unless you have some plug-lite boot, they are stiff, the boot boards are unforgiving, and the liners are thin and dense. I can ski groomers all day no problem, but rough or chunky stuff treats the feet poorly, as does hiking for sidecountry and inbounds stuff. And my cuff buckles get popped while I'm sliding into the corral pretty much every run. Might be part of why my feet stay warm sans love gloves.

BTW, I punched, ground, planed, and lifted my boots myself. It would very much be my fault if I didn't like them. I could put together a new pair in a couple hours but I have no desire to do so.
post #75 of 175
What is a gaper ? Well ,if you got to ask...............
post #76 of 175
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
I would add skiing in plugs to the list.

yikes, that makes me a gaper too! honestly, my plugs are the first boots to fit me right. They are all-day comfortable. I guess it comes down to the fitter! Props to "cantman", Billy kaplan.

OK, I also have Hotronic M4 heaters in them too! :
post #77 of 175
I guess the question is - can you use your plugs? If you can't then you're a gaper. I tried skiing in retail boots and I broke the front cuff or the rear spine out of my last two pairs... I guess I'll stick with my dobies and be a gaper.
post #78 of 175
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I guess the question is - can you use your plugs? If you can't then you're a gaper. I tried skiing in retail boots and I broke the front cuff or the rear spine out of my last two pairs... I guess I'll stick with my dobies and be a gaper.
well fellow gaper, I can tell you I am not in your league, That makes me a super-gaper... even worse, my shells are white
post #79 of 175
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
Ummm, I don't know you, but your profile says you live in Maryland.
Well, you've learned something about me! There really isn't much else to know. I'm a Terp.

I'd bet you really use those boot gloves so people can't see that you are wearing plug boots.
post #80 of 175
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
well fellow gaper, I can tell you I am not in your league, That makes me a super-gaper... even worse, my shells are white
Finndog -

I think the proper classification is 'Posing Gaper' (which is not to be confused with the 'Gaping Poser'.)
post #81 of 175
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
well fellow gaper, I can tell you I am not in your league, That makes me a super-gaper... even worse, my shells are white
Why can't I be the super gaper... just because my boots are black? : : One pair of the broken ones was yellow... that has got to count for some gaper status.
post #82 of 175
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Originally Posted by skiingman View Post
So lets see, it was -15, graybird, and full of fresh snow? I spent a good portion of my life living where you do and skiing at Whiteface and I have to say that combo doesn't reflect reality very often. One day does stick out in my mind as being nearly that cold with a foot of fresh, so I suppose it does happen.

Because unless you have some plug-lite boot, they are stiff, the boot boards are unforgiving, and the liners are thin and dense. I can ski groomers all day no problem, but rough or chunky stuff treats the feet poorly, as does hiking for sidecountry and inbounds stuff. And my cuff buckles get popped while I'm sliding into the corral pretty much every run. Might be part of why my feet stay warm sans love gloves.

BTW, I punched, ground, planed, and lifted my boots myself. It would very much be my fault if I didn't like them. I could put together a new pair in a couple hours but I have no desire to do so.
I left the bootfitting to the pros at Green Mountain Orthotic Labs. I don't know what a plug-lite is, but I ski in 02-03 Tecnica XT17's. I also have a pair of 04-05 XT17's for when the first pair wear out. Are they stiff? Yup, but that's how I learned to ski. Like Heluva, I have tried the softshoe routine and could not ski very well. I guess I'm a gaper because I can't ski in soft boots. Yes they are very thin with very formfitting and thin liners, but if the shell is properly formed, there's no need for the cushion-y liner that will inevitably pack out. I skied them last April in corn and spring snow at Squaw and loved their performance.

On the plus-plus side, they're at least 2 pounds lighter than my Icon Carbons. I don't do much hiking here in the east, but I have used racing boots at Tuckerman and didn't find them difficult to climb in. The boot gloves do not prevent me from unbuckling the top buckles, only the bottom ones.

If you've lived in this area you know the weather changes constantly. Can it snow 18" in 25 degree weather, have a cold front pass and go to -40 within 8 hours and then cloud over with a "warm" front 8 hours later? Sure, it happens all the time. We got the snowstorm on a Monday morning, Monday afternoon the weather cleared and it was -20 in Syracuse when we left at 5 am. We drove just ahead of the warm front and it was -25 and sunny when we went into the base lodge at Whiteface. By the time we got lift tix and boots on, it was clouding up and the temp was rising. By the time we got to our first lap off the top, it was -15, cloudy, and tons of fresh snow around. I don't find that scenario unusual at all around here.
post #83 of 175
I bet you guys going back and forth on the plug boots have very different width feet.


My favorite gaper was the one I passed on a 20" day at PCMR two years ago who exclaimed "I didn't come all the way out here to ski powder!"
post #84 of 175
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Originally Posted by onyxjl View Post
I bet you guys going back and forth on the plug boots have very different width feet.
Decent bet. My feet are flat and chunky. About the only alpine boots I can wear off the shelf are rental slippers. And your comment about PCMR is great. Did a rental gig for a year in town, the most dejected people would roll in during the afternoons on powder days...creating a stark contrast with my chipper mood after barely making it back to work on time from an afternoon lapping Jupiter.

Tuckerman is steep, its those flatter ridges where your sole rocks that get really annoying with all the forward lean and the high cuff. Then the lifters make life interesting if you step somewhere hard and you forgot to put a cat track or whatever on. Basically wearing plug boots for what I end up skiing is a total gaper move...I just like 'em and find it hard to go back. OTOH if I was in the East like you I would definitely not wear anything else...no contest.
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I tried skiing in retail boots and I broke the front cuff or the rear spine out of my last two pairs...
The thing I can't stand is the trend towards lower and softer cuffs in high end boots. I know its a great thing for some people but I just can't get used to it. Softer thinner multi injected plastic lowers make grinding and punching a bigger PITA too.
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I don't find that scenario unusual at all around here.
I guess you are right. Thanks for the little reminder of why I'm not there. I do miss a lot of it. Great place to live even if the weather can be harsh.
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post #87 of 175
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
Finndog -

I think the proper classification is 'Posing Gaper' (which is not to be confused with the 'Gaping Poser'.)
Excellent, I am a super poser gaper then, hellava', try to beat that!
post #88 of 175
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
I ski in 02-03 Tecnica XT17's. I also have a pair of 04-05 XT17's for when the first pair wear out.
I have good new for you! You're not a gaper afterall! The XT-17 isn't a "real" plug. It was as much of a plug as the the Dobie 130 is. Now... the XT-24 on the other hand... that was the plug. Both shells were nearly identicle though, so I guess you can still be in the gaper club if you want to be... but if you're not careful we are going to revoke your membership. You might want to start looking for a pair of X2s or something.
Later
GREG
post #89 of 175
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Excellent, I am a super poser gaper then, hellava', try to beat that!
It looks like I am going to have to ski Metrons with plug boots and a matching Marmot or Patagonia outfit. : Beat that!
post #90 of 175
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
I'm calling BS on the boot gloves. Try skiing at Whiteface in January in plugs without 'em.
Ditto here. The puffy quilted ones sure, total geekdom. But the neoprene ones worn correctly tight against the lower boot are not gaper material when you're in Dobies and it's -10F.
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