Originally Posted by skiingman
So lets see, it was -15, graybird, and full of fresh snow? I spent a good portion of my life living where you do and skiing at Whiteface and I have to say that combo doesn't reflect reality very often. One day does stick out in my mind as being nearly that cold with a foot of fresh, so I suppose it does happen.
Because unless you have some plug-lite boot, they are stiff, the boot boards are unforgiving, and the liners are thin and dense. I can ski groomers all day no problem, but rough or chunky stuff treats the feet poorly, as does hiking for sidecountry and inbounds stuff. And my cuff buckles get popped while I'm sliding into the corral pretty much every run. Might be part of why my feet stay warm sans love gloves.
BTW, I punched, ground, planed, and lifted my boots myself. It would very much be my fault if I didn't like them. I could put together a new pair in a couple hours but I have no desire to do so.
I left the bootfitting to the pros at Green Mountain Orthotic Labs. I don't know what a plug-lite is, but I ski in 02-03 Tecnica XT17's. I also have a pair of 04-05 XT17's for when the first pair wear out. Are they stiff? Yup, but that's how I learned to ski. Like Heluva, I have tried the softshoe routine and could not ski very well. I guess I'm a gaper because I can't ski in soft boots. Yes they are very thin with very formfitting and thin liners, but if the shell is properly formed, there's no need for the cushion-y liner that will inevitably pack out. I skied them last April in corn and spring snow at Squaw and loved their performance.
On the plus-plus side, they're at least 2 pounds lighter than my Icon Carbons. I don't do much hiking here in the east, but I have used racing boots at Tuckerman and didn't find them difficult to climb in. The boot gloves do not prevent me from unbuckling the top buckles, only the bottom ones.
If you've lived in this area you know the weather changes constantly. Can it snow 18" in 25 degree weather, have a cold front pass and go to -40 within 8 hours and then cloud over with a "warm" front 8 hours later? Sure, it happens all the time. We got the snowstorm on a Monday morning, Monday afternoon the weather cleared and it was -20 in Syracuse when we left at 5 am. We drove just ahead of the warm front and it was -25 and sunny when we went into the base lodge at Whiteface. By the time we got lift tix and boots on, it was clouding up and the temp was rising. By the time we got to our first lap off the top, it was -15, cloudy, and tons of fresh snow around. I don't find that scenario unusual at all around here.